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    WHO TOLD YOU?!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonM View Post
    Have you considered that, perhaps, properly trained TCMA looks a lot like boxing because that's how to throw good punches?
    you could refer to this post in the other thread

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    Or, you know, the post where you say basically the same thing I said in this thread.

    LOL the fact that you agree with my opinion doesn't make me less interested in expressing that opinion.
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    The thing is, if you are gonna punch with gloves, you are gonna box.
    Bare knuckle boxing looks a lot more like TMA than it does Modern Sport Boxing in many ways.
    Short power and "impulse/kinetic" power oriented strikes don't work with gloves.
    Even the light MMA ones still lend themselves to typical boxer punching.
    Also, the 4 punches of boxing ( and their "off-shots") are also the basic punches of every other MA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonM View Post
    Or, you know, the post where you say basically the same thing I said in this thread.

    LOL the fact that you agree with my opinion doesn't make me less interested in expressing that opinion.
    The important thing is that I SAID IT FIRST!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lama Pai Sifu View Post
    You are ridiculous, RD.

    You should listen to what is being said here, instead of sounding like an idiot. Give it a shot sometime, see what happens.

    My teacher loved boxing and even fought competitively in western boxing matches when it became popular in southern china. He won his weight division for Toi-San in the 40's. He went to Gong Muyhn (where fighters came from all over Canton/Guangdong) and represented his city, where he was victorious again. (kinda equivalent of winning for the five boroughs of NY type of thing).

    When I first went to Toi san several years ago, I learned more about his boxing career, met his boxing coach and heard stories about his fights. The first two he lost to the same person, because he didn't train boxing rules and did not realize that the gloves neutralized many techniques. He began to train with a coach who is the still teaching CMA today in Toi-San. His name is Gong Gum Woon and he's the president of the Toi-San martial arts association.

    Chan Tai-San loved grew to love boxing and excelled in the sport. He never really made a disctinction between boxing and CMA. Punching is punching..etc., etc. Personally, I don't really find any conflict in their offensive strategies at all. Defensively, there are some differences, I'll admit and you definately are hampered by gloves, but I believe the core skills are the same.

    What you really must learn is how boxers train before makings such wacky statements, RD.

    Boxing is good. Thinking that there is nothing to learn from it if you know CMA, is silly.

    That is like saying that CMA has grappling and you can apply the same principles to the ground and beat BJJ. C'mon....

    My teacher didn't just enjoy the sport, he recognized the strengths of boxing as a fighting art/science. This from a guy who started learning KF at 8 and didn't stop learning until his 50's. He wasn't interested in being a teacher at 30 and earning a living, he wanted to fight and learn to fight better. Do you think you might learn something from his experience??? Think about it.

    And I remember reading something somewhere about the Chinese government recognizing the strengths of western boxing as a combatative method and teaching their military SAN DA/SAN SHOU, oh...about 80 years ago!! But again, this might not be enough for RD to recognize the merits of Boxing....

    I'm sure you, RD, have a wider range of experience? Have you used your TCMA to cast out many 'boxers' from your school? Did you accept challenge matches against boxers?? I'm poking fun at you here, but hoping you might realize the short-sightlessness of your statements.
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    So once again, the lama pai family is/are the only ones that MISSED the joke.....

    But even more astounding is everyone ELSE got it, and replied appropriately. Even though you undoubtedly read those replies, and shuld have been clued in to the humor EVERYONE ELSE GOT, instead you come back with a huge long post trying to argue with me as if I had even the slightest sense of seriousness when I wrote that.

    Nice job there sport.

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    And to further my rant, I do whole heartedly recognize the value of Western boxing. My father Boxed in the Military, and taught me from the time I was like 10. So I am vaugly familiiar with it.

    Second, to BEAT a boxer with Kung Fu, you don't need to study for any great length, just enough to figure out the weaknesses (And Boxing is fairly limited and full of holes).

    The danger of a Boxer is NOT his hands as everyone thinks, it is his footwork, and ability to acquire a superior position with that footwork.

    You have to understand though, the boxer will be picking a range to strike from, thta is thier only tactical strategy. They don't ahve anything else.

    They don't kick, or throw, and they are hardly used to such attacks in thier training or competitions. Also, thier foot work make them especially vulnerable to any sort of leg threading, hooking sweeping motions.

    Taking them out IS literally as easy as my off the cuff joking post from before. You just have to get past thier footwork first.

    Any of you so called "Fighters" should easily see this.

    When is Boxing good to know? If you are a BJJ guy who needs some additional striking skills for dealing with BJJ trained stand up fighters.

    Why? because it is vulnerable to take downs, and you WANT to go to the ground.

    As to the Chinese doing Boxing EIGHTY YEARS AGO, who cares? That was 80 years ago. According to the MMA crowd everyone sucked 80 yeas ago, so why bring it up.

    Oh, and speaking of the MMA crowd, when they "Box" they are not doing actual Boxing anyway. they need to "ADAPT" it because f both the threat, and desire to be taken down, dealing with kicks and other variables not in a Boxers relm.

    In addition, a Greco/Roman Wrestler has never had any fear of a Boxer, so maybe it would be better to learn that instead.
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    there is more to boxing than their footwork-which is exceptional, btw. What I find to be most facinating, is boxing's evasive body movement. Duck, slip, bob and weave. I've seen boxers who've seemed cornered, evade and slip barrages of punches, and land their own blows.
    Jab,cross,uppercut, hook, overhand-these are the basic angles of attack. When fighting toe to toe, the strikes are shortened up and the body is connected to generate power, by combining waist,pivoting of the stance, etc. All good. I don't think anyone can dissagree with that.
    What I don't get is that how cme you don't see any of the long arm strikes thrown, such as sow, cup,gwa etc. (excluding aforementioned spinning backfist)

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    so is just a long hook, you see it all the time

    cup/kahp is an overhand, you see it all the time

    the fact no one bothers with a motion like kwa/gwa should maybe tell you something
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    so is just a long hook, you see it all the time

    cup/kahp is an overhand, you see it all the time

    the fact no one bothers with a motion like kwa/gwa should maybe tell you something
    so, basically, all they're missing is the silk pajamas?
    Boy, that was easy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TenTigers View Post
    there is more to boxing than their footwork-which is exceptional, btw. What I find to be most facinating, is boxing's evasive body movement. Duck, slip, bob and weave. I've seen boxers who've seemed cornered, evade and slip barrages of punches, and land their own blows.
    Jab,cross,uppercut, hook, overhand-these are the basic angles of attack. When fighting toe to toe, the strikes are shortened up and the body is connected to generate power, by combining waist,pivoting of the stance, etc. All good. I don't think anyone can dissagree with that.
    What I don't get is that how cme you don't see any of the long arm strikes thrown, such as sow, cup,gwa etc. (excluding aforementioned spinning backfist)
    Correct.

    so, basically, all they're missing is the silk pajamas?
    Boy, that was easy!
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    Yes, they are Slippery S-o-b's, BUT once you can get them to bob, weave or slip, you can throw them easy too though. That type of motion is fantastic in a striking only enviroment, but it leavs them open for takedowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    so is just a long hook, you see it all the time

    cup/kahp is an overhand, you see it all the time

    the fact no one bothers with a motion like kwa/gwa should maybe tell you something
    So then why is footwork so different? Shaolin footwork is nothing like modern sport fight footwork. I understand how fencing influenced the "dominate side" stance in CMA. And some of the static stances are similar, but just the idea of staying on the balls of your feet, for example, is completly incorrect within the framework of Shaolin stepping.
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    the problem arises when people who don't have a strong wrist structure (like me) and will experience wrist buckling when throwing a boxer's hook, unless wearing tape and wraps. (I just throw more elbows) But the fist position of sow choy allows me to generate far more power than my hook. Different ranges, I know.
    I guess the solution is throw the elbow rather than the hook, and train for self-defense, and recognize that some people will never become pro fighters.
    Many years ago, my TSD teacher told me that I shouldn't do pro fighting, as my facial skin was thin and I used to get cut up alot.
    so I chose to use other methods to kill my baincells

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD'S Alias - 1A View Post
    Yes, they are Slippery S-o-b's, BUT once you can get them to bob, weave or slip, you can throw them easy too though. That type of motion is fantastic in a striking only enviroment, but it leavs them open for takedowns.
    slips, ducks, bob n weave are all evasive head and body movements-which are also used in grappling to duck under and reverse many standing locks and chokes.

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