Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[1bad65]

You left out that Russia, Germany and France all oppossed the war - and shortly after we discovered those governments received BILLIONS in bribes from Saddam - cost everyone but Putin thier jobs in the next election cycle...

True. But none of those countries had 'a 9/11'. That's the big difference, imo.

[Lucas]

who cares what the war is for, who cares who said what about what was where and when we did what we did what for.

it cost way to much. period.

[Black Jack II]

My "Beef" as you put it lies with those who like to pervert the 2nd amendment and any form of the constitution in to an excuse to undermine the Law and to obsess over something that they should not be obsessing over.

Your right to self preservation and handgun ownership is something that is not wasted in terms of what you call "obsessing" when others are clearly trying to take that Constitutional right away from you for there own emotional gain.

To doggystyle all over the 2nd amendment that is very much often in the corner of the liberal voting record.

You can ask questions of a senator without having to come off like an a$$hat like that guy did with Biden.

Yeah, it was a little asshatesque, the guy could of came on less strong if he wanted to get a more clear answer from a bunch of backpedaling political robots, but trust me it was on purpose. It is a serious subject and I think he wanted to catch them off guard to see what true character may come spilling out.

Of course it was a baited question but it was also very honest. He knew Biden would come across sounding like a toolbag. Biden has always had one of the very lowest NRA ratings that is possible.

He felt he was showing patriotism. In a way he really was. Patriotism isn't a "mass" movement. Patriotism is a very personal matter. It isn't about blindly following the media or the president or the governor or anyone who pontificates.

Patriotism is knowing why you feel the way you do and that you have the right to feel that way without being called "mentally" unbalanced by some a$$hole who wants to take away your right to self protection and **** all over the Constitution

He didn't want to see a bunch of suits fitting in, he wanted to seen an individual who ensured us that he was an American and his natural born rights are NOT negotiable. That they will exist even if they are legislated against by citizens of this country who hate there own nationalism.

I am an advocate of the 2nd amendment but i dont obsess over it and i dont have this overwhelming sense of paranoia that it is going to be revoked, because YOU know as well as i that it wont, no matter if a dem gets in office or whomever.

That's great that your an advocate of the 2nd amendment. Are you a member of the NRA? How are you an advocate besides just saying it on an internet message board?

Oh and yes, they can take away your guns, it happened here in Chicago a long time ago, and it once was the same in DC, I can name many cities that have bans or have had bans.

Believe it or not these people can make progress.

[Black Jack II]

Water,

Of course we fund these elements in society with our taxes, but what we should be doing, and what I am more talking about is cutting down the wasteful spending aspect to get back from the European style welfare state we are heading to.

It's about managing the money we have for those in real need and not robbing from those that have made good choices to pay for more...and more...and more.

Helping people is a Nobel goal but often the people needing this help are in trouble of their own making. They are sleeping in the beds that they have themselves made. This is where we need to do the culling.

The vast majority being people who are supported by government systems who got that way because of their own foolish actions, immoral conduct, laziness, or irresponsible behavior.

If a person cannot manage his money, if he squanders his money on foolish buying and ends up destitute or is lazy and does not want to work, or a single woman leads a wanton, licentious life, and bears one illegitimate child after another, and is unable to hold a job, should the state come to her aid by supporting her and her
children the rest of her life?

It is not listed anywhere in the Constitution that the government has the right to do this.

The question really should be is it prudent for the state to try and save the foolish from the consequences of their foolishness?

People need a helping hand from time to time. Thank god people can get that kind of help here if they need it but we are getting gang raped by a sector of very ****ty people and even worse political clowns.

[NJM]

The vast majority being people who are supported by government systems who got that way because of their own foolish actions, immoral conduct, laziness, or irresponsible behavior.

Ah, the Just-World Fallacy.

[1bad65]

Ah, the Just-World Fallacy.

He is actually 100% correct.

Just look at the aftermath of Katrina. Many of those people were 3rd generation welfare recipients. They had no clue what to do when the government checks did not show up. Getting a job never even crossed their minds. It was pathetic, and quite sad that the system had robbed these people of the ability to provide themselves with basic human necessities.

[1bad65]

who cares what the war is for, who cares who said what about what was where and when we did what we did what for.

Well you did. Then when the reasons you claimed we went to war and who supported it were shown to be not as you said, suddenly it was 'Who cares'.

[CLFLPstudent]

Well you did. Then when the reasons you claimed we went to war and who supported it were shown to be not as you said, suddenly it was 'Who cares'.

Well, we have the worst failure of air-defense in history ( sept 11) and then we have the worst intelligence report in history ( the Iraq WMD case) under the presidency who cannot pronounce the word "nuclear".


Is it flip-flopping to support the war based on incredibly faulty intelligence, and then oppose the war once we find out it is faulty? Or is it flat out stubborness to continue to support the war in spite of the evidence that the intelligence is faulty?

Why is it OK to support the war in Iraq because the terrorists are over there killing Iraqi civilians as opposed to here, AND justify the war to change Hussein's regime because he killed his own people ( those same civillians)?

I remember asking a co-worker who is a staunch Republican back in the fist days of the Iraq war this - what happens when as many Iraqi civilians die because we are there would have died if Hussein was in power? How do we justify it then? No answer....

-David

[bakxierboxer]

... The democrats would pull us into a cesspool of conflicting radical ideologies - they have to lie and obfuscate constantly to try and avoid letting people know what they really think.

Excerpted from today's "Non Sequitur" cartoon:

[bakxierboxer]

You wanna debate stuff thats relevant or just hit on how someone talks?

OK, just a few days ago Obama did not even know what city he was in.

Actually, I'm just a little bit curious to see if Pelosi can even blink her own eyes.

[bakxierboxer]

Well, the problem is much more complex than that. (I find most people. left and right in this country are closer together on these issues than they think, once the situation is looked at for what it is.)

1.) Our tax system reduces us to serfs without due process of law. We are no longer 'citizens', we are 'consumers'. Listen to the politicians - can you find ONE besides Ron Paul that calls us 'citizens'?

2.) In order to fund our incredible commitments abroad we need this onerous tax.

3.) The bigger the tax, the lower the GDP, the less taxes collected.

4.) The lower the taxes, the more robust the GDP, and WALA - MORE taxes collected.

5.) Eliminate the unrequired bulk of our overseas commitments and we don't need the IRS to fund the government.

6.) Keep just a little and we coould have a flat/fair tax that takes away the loopholes, expense and unwanted meddling in our lives.

Former Baltic Soviet states have a flat tax and have runaway economies and happy politicians.....

Where does all our money go?

A small dose of "reality":

http://www.heritage.org/research/fea...Will-More.html

and

http://www.heritage.org/research/fea...-Consumes.html


There are additional charts with similar stats.

[bakxierboxer]

Jesus Christ, people. Dealing with you is like the those dealing with those people in the movie Idiocracy.

Unfortunately, the idea put forth by that flic is already "on the roll", producing more people to be on the dole.... and that is what our so-called "educational system" is currently "producing".... in this case, putting a different meaning to the "gross" part of our GDP.

[bakxierboxer]

He knew Biden would come across sounding like a toolbag.

Actually, Biden is a "tool", and a not very sharp one, at that.
(although plagiarism doesn't really require one to be "sharp", you've got to be pretty dull not to know that the 'net makes spotting that kind of thing ridiculously easy)

Biden has always had one of the very lowest NRA ratings that is possible.

Too bad they don't make a list of "Foot in Mouth" ratings.... he'd be right at the opposite end of the scale on that one.

[bodhitree]

Things are really bad in the US as it is. If I had the means, *I* would set up a business in the Caribbeans somewhere, and enjoy a tax free life style now

Please pick somewhere that does not have internet access, for our sake.

[Eric Olson]

Where does all our money go?

A small dose of "reality":

http://www.heritage.org/research/fea...Will-More.html

and

http://www.heritage.org/research/fea...-Consumes.html


There are additional charts with similar stats.

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit...age_Foundation