Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[SimonM]

No matter how many times you say that it won't make it true. Why not just accept that Bush was a fvck up.

This is a guy who managed to run an oil company that was handed to him on a silver platter into the ground and had to get bailed out by the saudis.

Regardless of your political position it doesn't take a leap to say that Bush was fiscally irresponsible and that his administration deserves the lion's share of the blame for the current situation.

****it 1bad just cut your losses man. You aren't going to win this one.

[MightyB]

Actually the poor people who had no business buying houses they could not pay for are the root cause of our current economic trouble and this $700 billion bailout.

Actually- being somebody who bought a house during that time (I knew enough to only mortgage twice my annual salary and stay away from balloon plans so I'm ok) I am fully aware of the predatory lending practices and lack of regulation that allowed the economic trouble to happen. The loans were bad loans that were designed to fail. Smart people like the dude from MAD MONEY predicted this collapse. Why was their no regulation? Why did the president change credit policy in favor of preditory lending policy and against protecting the middle class? Why did we allow those A-holes the opportunity to do this to us? Dude- the ultra rich scammed you and you don't even know it.

[1bad65]

Why was their no regulation? Why did the president change credit policy in favor of preditory lending policy and against protecting the middle class? Why did we allow those A-holes the opportunity to do this to us? Dude- the ultra rich scammed you and you don't even know it.

Regardless of your political position it doesn't take a leap to say that Bush was fiscally irresponsible and that his administration deserves the lion's share of the blame for the current situation.

Dude, Bush and the Republicans were trying to tighten up those lending practices. You have to have seen the clips of the hearings on YouTube.

Remember, even Bill Clinton said the Democrats are to blame for stopping Republican (and his) efforts to tighten up those lending practices.

[1bad65]

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On the flipside, has anyone seen the comments on the aol news? I have never seen such hatred in all my life. I was really surprised that so many people in trailer parks had computers.

Like I said before, alot of conservatives are worried a socialist won and quite bitter he lied to everyone's face in order to get elected.

[1bad65]

It's good that there will be better spokesmen for the Black community than Sharpton and Jackson, and better role models than Gangsta rappers.
The rising tide lifts all boats.

One will hope. Don't forget Obama went to a racist church for over 20 years whose pastor sure sounded alot like Jackson and Sharpton.

As for a rising tide lifts all boats, most of the liberals here cannot grasp that concept.

[MightyB]

their is nothing that anybody can say that can change the fact that we have to stop blaming the poor for the economic situation of the US. I'll go back to what started this tangent conversation- something about how the poor can't help 'cuz their poor. That statement is so socially Darwinistic that it isn't acceptable.

OMFG - Yes that's it- poor people want to be poor--- that must be why they're poor. It must be fun being homeless and broke!!!

Yes we supposably live in the greatest country in the world but it is acceptable that there's homeless people, starving children, and no healthcare for the underclass 'cuz they must like it that way. Yes that's it! Eureka I found it- the poor are poor 'cuz they like being poor.

[WinterPalm]

Like I said before, alot of conservatives are worried a socialist won and quite bitter he lied to everyone's face in order to get elected.

You already have socialized police, post office, education, and military...is it really that hard to do the same with medicine?

[SimonM]

I think TT managed to summarize the situation beautifully. Yes, Obama presents a positive role model. Yes, the election of an african-american president is a momentous step unrivaled in American history within the field of "race relations" (can't stand that term personally, we are all one race, anyway, moving on). However anyone who goes "african-american gets to be president, racism is over" is deluding themselves.

All we can say is that 52% of Americans were progressive enough to say that a brilliant orator and highly educated man from an "interracial" marriage should be president. While the importence of this milestone must not be under-rated it's equally important not to over-rate it either.

I just know that the closet racists are going to start screaming for an end to affirmative action policies now worse than ever. Just remember: I am white, my ancestors were not slavers, I feel no guilt about the racist practices of the past, I gain no benefit from affirmative action but I can see clearly enough to know why it's important. That hasn't changed. Not until "the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes".

And 1bad65: the idea that a rising tide lifts all boats is a core idea of socialism. See where we differ is that socialists realize that filling the cisterns of the rich will never cause the tide to rise.

[1bad65]

This may come as a complete surprise, but there are people with no ambition in life who are content to live off others.

Just look at those Katrina refugees. They honestly had no clue what to do when the Gov't checks stopped coming in. It was sad, angering, and pathetic all at the same time.

[MightyB]

This may come as a complete surprise, but there are people with no ambition in life who are content to live off others.

Just look at those Katrina refugees. They honestly had no clue what to do when the Gov't checks stopped coming in. It was sad, angering, and pathetic all at the same time.

That is true - but that's such a minute population that it barely warrants measure. Unfortunately they got all of the press. In sociology they're called Retreatests. The theory goes like this- All people basically want the same thing- it's the American dream- the house on the hill- the white picket fence- 2.3 kids- minivans and soccer--- unfortunately the system's not set up to make it attainable for everybody- we're sold a lie. How people react to that lie falls into 5 categories: Conformists, Ritualists, Retreatists, Revolutionaries & Innovators - see strain theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strain_theory_(sociology)

Retreatist basically have given up - they just stopped trying. Our response shouldn't be one of blame- we should be looking at why there's disparity between the socially accepted goals and the means to achieve them.

[BoulderDawg]

I'm just absolutely amazed that convicted felon Stevens won in Alaska. I really don't know what to say about the morals of those people up there. His opponent must have been a complete F up.

In any case I guess that clears the way for Palin to nominate herself for the senate.

Anyway it doesn't look like Magic 60 will be reality...no matter that's probably for the best. At least they won't have to kiss Lieberman's ass to get to 60.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

No poor person or group of poor people ever cost this country 700 Trillion in one day. No poor person has the ability to effect public policy to allow the mass exportation of industry out of this country. No poor person took billions in government handouts and left the country. No poor person single handedly stole millions in pension funds and then bailed on the very people who paid into those funds.

STOP BLAMING THE POOR- THEY AREN'T THE ONES WHO F'CKED EVERYTHING UP!

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That is total BS. The Poor have been sucking Trillions off of Welfare checks for decades.

They need to stop being lazy, get off thier behinds and make something of themselves, instead of taking MY money like the worthless sponges that they are.

[MightyB]

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That is total BS. The Poor have been sucking Trillions off of Welfare checks for decades.

They need to stop being lazy, get off thier behinds and make something of themselves, instead of taking MY money like the worthless sponges that they are.

Wow- there's no hope The lie wins again

[MightyB]

That is true - but that's such a minute population that it barely warrants measure. Unfortunately they got all of the press. In sociology they're called Retreatests. The theory goes like this- All people basically want the same thing- it's the American dream- the house on the hill- the white picket fence- 2.3 kids- minivans and soccer--- unfortunately the system's not set up to make it attainable for everybody- we're sold a lie. How people react to that lie falls into 5 categories: Conformists, Ritualists, Retreatists, Revolutionaries & Innovators - see strain theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strain_theory_(sociology)

Retreatist basically have given up - they just stopped trying. Our response shouldn't be one of blame- we should be looking at why there's disparity between the socially accepted goals and the means to achieve them.

Fight Club was about Revolutionists and Innovators !

Great f'ck'n movie if you haven't seen it. Exposes the lie in a creative way to a mass audience.

[BoulderDawg]

This may come as a complete surprise, but there are people with no ambition in life who are content to live off others.

There are people who like to get beat up by their spouse. There are people who are turned on by feces. There are people who enjoy inflicting pain on others. There are people who never take a bath..........

And guess what? As long as humans walk the earth there will always be people like this.....So what? Should we just give up because of this small, small percentage of the population? Bad and his fellow Neos would say yes.