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    "Bridge to Nowhere" and Knik Arm Bridge
    In 2005–06 before Palin became governor, two proposed bridges gained national attention as symbols of pork barrel spending:[99] the Gravina Island Bridge, proposed to connect the 8000 resident Ketchikan to the Ketchikan International Airport on Gravina Island, and the Knik Arm Bridge, proposed to cross Cook Inlet, north of Anchorage, Alaska. The Gravina Island Bridge proposal became nicknamed the "Bridge to Nowhere" because of the island's population of fifty. Rarely, the term "bridges to nowhere" has been used to refer to both proposals. According to the Alaska Department of Transportation & Public Facilities, the project's goal was to "provide better service to the airport and allow for development of large tracts of land on the island".


    As a candidate in 2006, Palin said in Ketchikan that the Gravina Island Bridge was essential for prosperity, but later cancelled the bridge. The goal of the Gravina project, according to the Alaska Department of Transportation & Public Facilities, was to "provide better service to the airport" than the current ferry that serves 350,000 passengers per year, and "allow for development of large tracts of land on the island." The second bridge is a $600 million project to open up development and provide an alternate link from Anchorage to Wasilla; the bridge is being evaluated by officials as a possible threat to nearby beluga whales.

    In 2005, a $442 million earmark for bridge construction was included in an early version of a 2006 omnibus spending bill, but generated strong criticism in Congress and was stripped from the bill before final passage in November 2005. Congress instead gave unrestricted transportation money to Alaska. In 2006, Palin ran for governor with a "build-the-bridge" plank in her platform, saying she would "not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project ... into something that's so negative." She criticized the use of the word "nowhere" as insulting to local residents and urged speedy work on building the bridges "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

    In September 2007, Palin said that Congress had "little interest in spending any more money" on the Gravina Bridge due to what she called "inaccurate portrayals of the projects". She directed Alaskan officials to look for an alternative way to connect Gravina Island with the mainland. Palin opted not to return the $442 million in federal transportation funds, and spent $25 million in federal funds on a Gravina Island access road to where the bridge would have gone; Palin's spokesperson said that the island road would open territory for development. According to Alaskan state officials, the state went ahead with building the road because the $25 million would otherwise have had to be returned to the Federal government. Palin continued to support the Knik Arm Bridge until she ordered a funding and feasibility review in June 2008.

    Gas pipeline
    In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope. This negated a deal by the previous governor to grant the contract to a coalition including BP. The bill was approved with only a single dissenting vote, and in June, Palin signed it into law. On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, TransCanada Corporation, was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant. In August 2008, Palin signed a bill into law giving the state of Alaska authority to award TransCanada Pipelines $500 million in seed money and a license to build and operate the $26-billion pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Continental United States through Canada. According to Newsweek, which describes the project as Palin's main achievement as governor, the pipeline will be built only if Canadian authorities can strike a deal with indigenous tribes of the First Nation, who are accusing Palin and other pipeline proponents of treating them with disrespect by not consulting with them.

    2008 Vice-presidential campaign

    Palin addresses the 2008 Republican National ConventionOn August 29, 2008, in Dayton, Ohio, Senator John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, announced that he had chosen Palin as his running mate. McCain met Palin in a February National Governors Association, and it is reported that she made a favorable impression on McCain. He called Palin on August 24 to discuss the possibility of having her join him on the ticket. On August 27, Palin visited McCain's vacation home near Sedona, Arizona, where she was offered the position of vice-presidential candidate. Palin was the only prospective running mate who had a face-to-face interview with McCain to discuss joining the ticket that week. Nonetheless, Palin's selection was a surprise to many as speculation had centered on other candidates, such as Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, United States Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, and former Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge.

    Palin is the second woman to run on a major U.S. party ticket. The first was Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee in 1984, who ran with former vice-president Walter Mondale. On September 3, 2008, Palin delivered a 40-minute acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention that was watched by more than 40 million viewers and was well-received by the crowd.


    The Palins and McCains in Fairfax, Virginia, September 2008.In her nomination acceptance speech and on the campaign trail, Palin has often said: "I told the Congress 'thanks, but no thanks,' on that Bridge to Nowhere." Although Palin was originally a main proponent of the Gravina Island Bridge, McCain-Palin television advertisements claim Palin "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere." These claims have been widely questioned or described as misleading or exaggerations by "virtually every media group in the US." Newsweek remarked: "Now she talks as if she always opposed the funding."

    In September 2008, a hacker accessed a Yahoo! email account Palin uses, hoping to "derail her campaign," and precipitating an investigation by the FBI and Secret Service.

    Palin is scheduled to participate in a vice-presidential debate with Joe Biden on October 2, 2008. The election is set for November 4, 2008.


    Reception
    A series of polls suggested that Palin gave a major boost to John McCain's campaign and excited the Republican base. The McCain campaign reversed its poll deficit, and Palin may have boosted support among white mothers. A WSJ/NBC News poll taken on September 9 indicated that 34% of respondents were more likely to vote for McCain as a result of the Palin pick, while 25% were less likely. McCain chose Palin in part due to her potential to rally Christian conservatives behind his campaign.


    Sarah Palin signing an autograph at a campaign rally in O'Fallon, MissouriSince Palin was largely unknown outside of Alaska prior to her selection by McCain, her personal life, positions, and political record became the focus of intense media attention and scrutiny. Some Republicans felt that Palin was being subjected to unreasonable media coverage, a sentiment referenced by Palin in her acceptance speech. A poll taken immediately after the Republican convention found that slightly more than half of Americans believed that the media was "trying to hurt" Palin with negative coverage.

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    But i guess after reading all this you liberal Dems still say Palin has no experience huh? Whatever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Just last week Biden said an Obama ad was 'terrible'.

    Katie Couric: Are you disappointed with the tone of the campaign and 'lipstick and the pig' stuff, some of the ads? You guys haven't been completely guilt free, making fun of John McCain's inability to use a computer.

    Biden: I thought that was terrible.

    That shows me that Biden is his own man who's not afraid to express his opinion no matter who he disagrees with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkriii View Post
    In September 2007, Palin said that Congress had "little interest in spending any more money" on the Gravina Bridge due to what she called "inaccurate portrayals of the projects". She directed Alaskan officials to look for an alternative way to connect Gravina Island with the mainland. Palin opted not to return the $442 million in federal transportation funds, and spent $25 million in federal funds on a Gravina Island access road to where the bridge would have gone; Palin's spokesperson said that the island road would open territory for development. According to Alaskan state officials, the state went ahead with building the road because the $25 million would otherwise have had to be returned to the Federal government. Palin continued to support the Knik Arm Bridge until she ordered a funding and feasibility review in June 2008.
    But hey, she saved us some money on that plane, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkriii View Post
    But i guess after reading all this you liberal Dems still say Palin has no experience huh? Whatever!

    I honestly don't know Sarah Palin. She might make a good president.....I don't know.

    I personally think that experience is overrated. However your standard bearer seems to disagree with me. He can't on one hand complain about Obama's lack of experience while on the other pick a running mate with less experience.

    I do have reservations....the polar bear thing was one...she against putting polar bears on the endangered species list because (Heaven forbid!!) that might suggest global warming! Also, the thing with her daugher. As with Mayor Rudy, if a candidate can't control their personal affairs then they sure can't run the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    That partisan investigation is going nowhere. You do know e-mails exist that show the guy got fired for exactly why Mrs Palin says he was fired, right? Do you even know the official reason why he was fired?



    Depreciation for one. Second, once she sold it they no longer had to pay for its fuel, maintenance and flight crew. So it did save the people of Alaska money.
    And by "partisan" you mean Republican, right? Since the 8 Republicans and 4 Democrats on the Legislative Council voted unanimously to investigate.

    http://community.adn.com/node/127894

    http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/478090.html

    Sarah Palin said that she did not exert pressure to get rid of Trooper Wooten. That was proven to be wrong.

    http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html

    http://www.adn.com/front/story/468174.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...303210_pf.html

    She also said that she welcomed the investigation.

    http://community.adn.com/node/127894

    Only to reverse course after she was picked as John McCain's running mate.

    http://www.adn.com/front/story/522488.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4445777.shtml

    Also, the Republican Attorney General in Alaska (appointed by Sarah Palin) has decided not to enforce the law.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26742379/

    Her informal ethics advisor warned Sarah Palin about the issue.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1221...ign2008_topbox

    An Alaskan judge specifically warned Sarah Palin about harassing her ex-brother in law.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140

    She also claimed that she had fired Walt Monegan because he had gone to Washington to seek federal funds for an aggressive anti-sexual-violence program. Of course, he had received permission to go from her staff.

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/st...5844710&page=1

    Of course that is only the most recent in her ever shifting rationale for firing him.

    "Most recently the shifting public explanations for why Monegan was fired have looked shaky — at one point, it was that they didn't share the same general law enforcement priorities, at another it was that he hadn't done enough to crack down on rural bootlegging, and most recently it was for his unauthorized travel to Washington to lobby for federal dollars."

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...3678-2,00.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkriii View Post
    "Bridge to Nowhere" and Knik Arm Bridge
    In 2005–06 before Palin became governor, two proposed bridges gained national attention as symbols of pork barrel spending:[99] the Gravina Island Bridge, proposed to connect the 8000 resident Ketchikan to the Ketchikan International Airport on Gravina Island, and the Knik Arm Bridge, proposed to cross Cook Inlet, north of Anchorage, Alaska. The Gravina Island Bridge proposal became nicknamed the "Bridge to Nowhere" because of the island's population of fifty. Rarely, the term "bridges to nowhere" has been used to refer to both proposals. According to the Alaska Department of Transportation & Public Facilities, the project's goal was to "provide better service to the airport and allow for development of large tracts of land on the island".


    As a candidate in 2006, Palin said in Ketchikan that the Gravina Island Bridge was essential for prosperity, but later cancelled the bridge. The goal of the Gravina project, according to the Alaska Department of Transportation & Public Facilities, was to "provide better service to the airport" than the current ferry that serves 350,000 passengers per year, and "allow for development of large tracts of land on the island." The second bridge is a $600 million project to open up development and provide an alternate link from Anchorage to Wasilla; the bridge is being evaluated by officials as a possible threat to nearby beluga whales.

    In 2005, a $442 million earmark for bridge construction was included in an early version of a 2006 omnibus spending bill, but generated strong criticism in Congress and was stripped from the bill before final passage in November 2005. Congress instead gave unrestricted transportation money to Alaska. In 2006, Palin ran for governor with a "build-the-bridge" plank in her platform, saying she would "not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project ... into something that's so negative." She criticized the use of the word "nowhere" as insulting to local residents and urged speedy work on building the bridges "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

    In September 2007, Palin said that Congress had "little interest in spending any more money" on the Gravina Bridge due to what she called "inaccurate portrayals of the projects". She directed Alaskan officials to look for an alternative way to connect Gravina Island with the mainland. Palin opted not to return the $442 million in federal transportation funds, and spent $25 million in federal funds on a Gravina Island access road to where the bridge would have gone; Palin's spokesperson said that the island road would open territory for development. According to Alaskan state officials, the state went ahead with building the road because the $25 million would otherwise have had to be returned to the Federal government. Palin continued to support the Knik Arm Bridge until she ordered a funding and feasibility review in June 2008.

    Gas pipeline
    In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope. This negated a deal by the previous governor to grant the contract to a coalition including BP. The bill was approved with only a single dissenting vote, and in June, Palin signed it into law. On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, TransCanada Corporation, was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant. In August 2008, Palin signed a bill into law giving the state of Alaska authority to award TransCanada Pipelines $500 million in seed money and a license to build and operate the $26-billion pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Continental United States through Canada. According to Newsweek, which describes the project as Palin's main achievement as governor, the pipeline will be built only if Canadian authorities can strike a deal with indigenous tribes of the First Nation, who are accusing Palin and other pipeline proponents of treating them with disrespect by not consulting with them.

    2008 Vice-presidential campaign

    Palin addresses the 2008 Republican National ConventionOn August 29, 2008, in Dayton, Ohio, Senator John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, announced that he had chosen Palin as his running mate. McCain met Palin in a February National Governors Association, and it is reported that she made a favorable impression on McCain. He called Palin on August 24 to discuss the possibility of having her join him on the ticket. On August 27, Palin visited McCain's vacation home near Sedona, Arizona, where she was offered the position of vice-presidential candidate. Palin was the only prospective running mate who had a face-to-face interview with McCain to discuss joining the ticket that week. Nonetheless, Palin's selection was a surprise to many as speculation had centered on other candidates, such as Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, United States Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, and former Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge.

    Palin is the second woman to run on a major U.S. party ticket. The first was Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee in 1984, who ran with former vice-president Walter Mondale. On September 3, 2008, Palin delivered a 40-minute acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention that was watched by more than 40 million viewers and was well-received by the crowd.


    The Palins and McCains in Fairfax, Virginia, September 2008.In her nomination acceptance speech and on the campaign trail, Palin has often said: "I told the Congress 'thanks, but no thanks,' on that Bridge to Nowhere." Although Palin was originally a main proponent of the Gravina Island Bridge, McCain-Palin television advertisements claim Palin "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere." These claims have been widely questioned or described as misleading or exaggerations by "virtually every media group in the US." Newsweek remarked: "Now she talks as if she always opposed the funding."

    In September 2008, a hacker accessed a Yahoo! email account Palin uses, hoping to "derail her campaign," and precipitating an investigation by the FBI and Secret Service.

    Palin is scheduled to participate in a vice-presidential debate with Joe Biden on October 2, 2008. The election is set for November 4, 2008.


    Reception
    A series of polls suggested that Palin gave a major boost to John McCain's campaign and excited the Republican base. The McCain campaign reversed its poll deficit, and Palin may have boosted support among white mothers. A WSJ/NBC News poll taken on September 9 indicated that 34% of respondents were more likely to vote for McCain as a result of the Palin pick, while 25% were less likely. McCain chose Palin in part due to her potential to rally Christian conservatives behind his campaign.


    Sarah Palin signing an autograph at a campaign rally in O'Fallon, MissouriSince Palin was largely unknown outside of Alaska prior to her selection by McCain, her personal life, positions, and political record became the focus of intense media attention and scrutiny. Some Republicans felt that Palin was being subjected to unreasonable media coverage, a sentiment referenced by Palin in her acceptance speech. A poll taken immediately after the Republican convention found that slightly more than half of Americans believed that the media was "trying to hurt" Palin with negative coverage.
    So, how again did she kill the Bridge to Nowhere? Does that mean she was for it before she was against it?

    http://www.adn.com/politics/story/511471.html

    Oh, and could you please provide a source for your lengthy posts? Thank you. [Edit - never mind Wikipedia]

    Quote Originally Posted by Reality_Check View Post
    Regarding the Bridge to Nowhere?

    "While running for governor in 2006, though, Palin backed federal funding for the infamous bridge, which McCain helped make a symbol of pork barrel excess."

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...n-bridge_N.htm

    November 2005 - Congress kills the earmark for the bridge. Alaska still received the money.

    2006 - Sarah Palin runs for Governor as a supporter of the project (there is even video).

    September 2007 - Sarah Palin finally halts the plan, since it was now a state project.

    She still kept the money.

    Oh, and she's building a road to where the bridge would have been.

    "Meanwhile, Weinstein noted, the state is continuing to build a road on Gravina Island to an empty beach where the bridge would have gone -- because federal money for the access road, unlike the bridge money, would have otherwise been returned to the federal government."

    http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511471.html
    Last edited by Reality_Check; 09-29-2008 at 08:53 AM.

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    http://www.votefortheMILF.com

    Redirects to McCain's official site. Classy.
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    In any case if I get served with a supeona I have to go to court and answer questions or take the 5th.

    Ms Palin seems to be above the law. She is able to ingore supeonas and nothing happens.

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    on the topic of comparing the candidates and their resumes.

    * * *

    Obama: Works his way up from Occidental College, L.A., to Columbia University.
    Palin: Works her way from Hawaii Pacific University to Northern Idaho College to University of Idaho.

    * * *

    Obama in 1983: hired at graduation by B.I.C., N.Y., as research associate of financial services.
    Palin in 1984: loses Miss Alaska contest, though given Miss Congeniality title

    * * *

    Obama 1985-1988: quits corporate job, joins public interest groups in NY and CHI.
    - Director of Developing Communities in Chicago, directs staff of 13, hundreds of volunteers.
    - Instructor at the Gamaliel Foundation, to promote community organizations.
    Palin 1985-1988: works her way from Hawaii Pacific University to Northern Idaho College to University of Idaho.

    * * *

    Obama 1988: Accepted by Harvard Law School.
    - Brought national attention as first black president of Harvard Law Review,
    - Graduates Magna Cum Laude.
    Palin 1988: Hired by Anchorage TV station KTUU as intermittent sportscaster.

    * * *

    Obama: Marries Michelle in planned wedding after three year courtship, first child Malia born six years later.
    Palin: Elopes with high school sweetheart soon after coming home from college, gives birth eight months later.

    * * *

    Obama 1992: Recruited by University of Chicago to teach Constitutional Law,
    - Chooses to work at a small civil rights boutique firm,
    - Runs "Project Vote" helping to register over 100,000 new Illinois voters,
    - Profiles as one of the "40 under forty" most successful by Crain's Chicago Business Journal.
    Palin 1992: No longer sportscasting.
    - Helps out at her husband's family fishing business.
    - Joins city council following discussions in an aerobics class as to whether town of less than 5000 needs a police department (see Time Magazine, Sept 2, 2008).

    * * *

    Obama 1992-1996: continues to teach Constitutional Law and practice privately.
    - Writes memoir, "Dreams of My Father", published by Random House.
    Palin 1992-1996: Wasilla city council,
    - Discusses the placement of stop signs, whether to allow a liquor license on Parks Highway.
    - Oldest son Track begins playing hockey, officially becomes hockey mom.
    -Mayor John Stein supports Palin's council membership

    * * *

    Obama 1996-2004: elected to Illinois state legislature, district population 250,000, state population 13,000,000.
    - regularly receives 40,000 votes
    -votes on over 3000 state initiatives, reserves judgement on about 110
    Palin 1996-2002: elected Wasilla town mayor, population now over 6500.
    - Gets 907 votes
    - Gets Republican party support for traditional non-partisian contest, crushes former supporter John Stein
    - Still discussing stop signs and liquor licenses. Funds and opens sports center.
    - number of liquor licenses awarded and stop signs placed not readily available. Probably a couple hundred material decisions made.
    - Joins Republican women leadership group run by Ted Stevens,
    - Hires lobbying firm to capture federal earmarks, very successful in 2000 with $27 Million

    * * *

    Obama: Loses Democratic congressional primary in 2000, gets 29,649 votes.
    Palin: Loses Republican Lt. Governor's primary in 2002, gets 19,114 votes.
    - Refuses to support mother-in-law running for her mayor's position.

    * * *

    Obama 2004: Elected U.S. Senate
    - Gets 3,571,000 votes
    Palin 2003: Accepts position on Oil and Gas Board from Frank Murkowski.
    - Quits 11 months later.

    * * *

    Obama 2006: devises primary campaign that defeats heavily favored Hilary Clinton.
    - Gets 17,869,000 votes
    - Regularly meets with teams of advisors, over 200 in all, on foriegn policy and economics.
    Palin 2006: Elected governor of Alaska,
    - Gets 114,695 votes.
    - Crushes former supporter Frank Murkowski
    - Licenses the rights to build a pipeline that probably will not be built.
    - Fails to sell jet on Ebay.
    - Tells Anchorage Daily News she wants US taxpayers to fund "bridge to nowhere". She refuses to build bridge out her own state funds.

    * * *

    Obama's family plan 2006-2008: Barack campaigns and serves senate duties full-time
    - Michelle home with kids, has caretaking help, works part-time.
    Palin's family plan: Sarah serves as Governor, runs for vice-president, presumably full-time.
    - Todd still taking jobs and racing snowmobiles for weeks and months away from family, states refusal to be a stay home dad.
    - No caretaking arrangement has been made public.
    - Track still playing hockey, joins the Army.
    - Bristol becomes a teenager, gets pregnant.
    - Newborn with disabilities

    * * *

    Obama 2008: Democratic nominee, President. A well-ordered mind.
    Palin 2008: Republican nominee, Vice-President. Steeped in chaos.

    * * *

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderDawg View Post
    Ms Palin seems to be above the law. She is able to ingore supeonas and nothing happens.
    Marc Rich seems to be above the law. He is able to ignore Federal indictments and nothing happens.

    Who pardoned that guy again?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    GLW,

    You forgot to mention Obama's work with ACORN.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    http://www.votefortheMILF.com

    Redirects to McCain's official site. Classy.
    I can create a website and make it redirect wherever I want it to.

    Are this desperate? First strawmen and now this.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Marc Rich seems to be above the law. He is able to ignore Federal indictments and nothing happens.

    Who pardoned that guy again?
    So, because Marc Rich did it, it's okay for Sarah Palin, her husband and members of her staff to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Marc Rich seems to be above the law. He is able to ignore Federal indictments and nothing happens.

    Who pardoned that guy again?
    What does any of that have to do with the curent election?

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