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    Green Dragon on my left.
    White Tiger on my right.
    I enter Hung Mun.
    With a red flag in my hands.
    To pray respect to the 3 elders.
    From the east to the west.
    In all directions,
    We are brother.
    This I vow,
    Heaven and Earth be my witness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fei Li View Post
    the page is on french but you can find the explications of the different lion types:
    http://www.ymt.free.fr/fr/index.html

    In short:
    Yellow1: head Multicolored with yellow dominance, beard white, body multicolored. Patron is Liu Bei. Symbolizes sovereignty.

    Red: head red, beard black, body red. Patron is Guan Yu. Symbolizes Intelligence and bravery

    Black: head black, beard black, body black. Patron is Zhang Fei. Symbolizes impetuosity, aggressiveness.

    Green: head green, beard black, body green. Patron is Zhao Yun. Symbolizes youth and impetuosity

    Yellow2: head yellow, beard white, body yellow. Patron is Huang Zhong.
    Symbolizes prudence.

    Interesting... how did the starting lineup for team Shu Han get to be connected to lion dance?
    And why did Ma Chao get slighted? He was at least the general Huang Zhong was...
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    Lion dance was initially done by the actors of Southern Chinese Cantonese opera troops and other performing groups, the base paints were done in the same context and meanings that are found in Chinese opera characters. Obviously, since the Lion, once tamed and awakened, is supposed to be a creature of good, colors that represent evil or bad luck were to be avoided.

    Liu Bei is represented by the base color of yellow for his face. Symbolically, it represented several things. The first is that is the color of his skin, the second is that it represented his wisdom and the third is that yellow (or yellow gold as it is known in China) was reserved for and represented the color of the Emperor (just as King’s of Europe used the color purple.). It sported a long white beard for wisdom and seniority.

    Guan Gung or Guan Yu was said to have had a reddish face (this was due to when a corrupt official attempted to kill him by trapping him in a temple and burning him alive). The base color of red also symbolizes General Guan’s righteousness, loyalty and bravery. On the collar are two coins to denote his standing as second brother. The beard is long and black, as General Guan was known as the Duke with the Beautiful Beard.

    Zhang Fei, his Lion has a black face because it is said General Zhang had a dark complexion. However, black also represents youth, straightforward, and rebellious nature all of which was traits of Zhang Fei. This lion sported a short stubby black beard, red colored glass eyes, cauliflower ears, and canine like fangs. All the more to make the lion more menacing.

    Later an additional three Lions were added to the group. The Green faced lion represented Zhao Yun or Zhao (Chu) Zi Long. He has a green tail with black (sometimes white) beard and fur and an iron horn. He is often called the forth brother, and is known as the “Heroic Lion” as it is said, he managed to find and rescue Liu Bei’s infant son by riding into the middle of Wei’s million man army.

    The Yellow (yellow/orange) face and body with white beard represented Huang (Wong) Zhong, we was given this color when Liu Bei rose to become Emperor. This lion is called the Righteous Lion. This is due to the general sparing Kwan Yu after Lord Kwan had spared his life when his horse collapsed during their duel. After his master at the time accused him falsely of collusion for the act and ordered his execution he remained loyal and refused to argue to save his own life (his life was spared when another general executed the corrupt lord).

    The white color lion is known as Ma Chao, he was assigned this color because he always wore a white arm band to battle against the Emperor of Wei, Cao Cao, to signify that he was in mourning for his father and brother who had been murdered by Cao Cao. Thus this lion was known as the funeral lion. If there is a mirror it should be covered. Some will instead have the yin/yang symbol in its place. Usually, this has only one other color, black. This lion is never used except for a funeral for the Sifu or some important head of the group, and in such cases it is usually burned right after. Even if it is properly stored, it is not something one would want to keep, as it is symbolically inauspicious to have around. It is sometimes though, confused with the silver lion which sometimes has a white like coloring.

    These three along with Guan Yu and Zhang Fei were known as the “Five Tiger Generals of Shu,” each representing one of the colors of the five elements

    Cheers,
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    Hey Frank

    Was that the same ceremony we're covering in the current issue (2008 November/December) Blessing the Lion Heads By Greg Hebert?
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    gene,
    i believe this is the same ceremony that was covered in this issue. it was performed at hung mun, chee gung tong, chinese freemasons's 160th anniversary. i saw the article & the magazine at my sifu's studio but do not personnally have a copy of it yet... there was a picture of my sifu & the students of the hung sing studio in it. but i will get a copy for myself soon unless you want to send me one 1st...
    cheers,
    sifu lau
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    Yes Sir Gene,

    And I'm in there too
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
    when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
    Bruh we thought you knew better
    when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyking168 View Post
    The white color lion is known as Ma Chao, he was assigned this color because he always wore a white arm band to battle against the Emperor of Wei, Cao Cao, to signify that he was in mourning for his father and brother who had been murdered by Cao Cao. Thus this lion was known as the funeral lion. If there is a mirror it should be covered. Some will instead have the yin/yang symbol in its place. Usually, this has only one other color, black. This lion is never used except for a funeral for the Sifu or some important head of the group, and in such cases it is usually burned right after. Even if it is properly stored, it is not something one would want to keep, as it is symbolically inauspicious to have around. It is sometimes though, confused with the silver lion which sometimes has a white like coloring.

    These three along with Guan Yu and Zhang Fei were known as the “Five Tiger Generals of Shu,” each representing one of the colors of the five elements

    Cheers,
    Sifu Lau
    Ok, so Ma Chao does get representation too... that makes sense now. Thank you very much.

    Sanguo Yanyi is one of my favorite stories and so I wondered when reference was made to Liu Bei and to four of the tiger generals but not the fifth in a previous post.
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    Cool

    It's nice to see the video. Greg sent us several pics, but we didn't have room to run them all. Sounded like an interesting ceremony.

    That issue is still on the newsstands for another month.
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    I'm sorry that you missed it Gene. It was a once in a lifetime experience.

    And, I will hands down give it to the man, although he messes around too much (inside joke), MonkeyKing has even schooled me in the aspects of lion dancing. Not that i was something to speak about, Im just a lowly drummer. He has been a great asset to the Hung Sing Kwoon.
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
    when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
    Bruh we thought you knew better
    when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better

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    Does anyone have a translation of what is being said in this vid?

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    nope sorry
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
    when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
    Bruh we thought you knew better
    when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better

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    Found this great description to add to the discussion:

    New Southern Chinese Lions must be blessed by a traditional ceremony called the Hoi Gong (eye opening/dotting). Traditionally a new lion should not be used if it hasn't gone through the Hoi Gong ceremony. According to the tradition if the lion is used at any kind of event without being blessed or awakened it will bring misfortune and bad luck.

    "Dotting the Eye" refers in particular to the Chinese tradition of painting in the eye of the Chinese lion before the start of the lion dance to awaken the spirit of the lion. Hoi Gong is a traditional ceremony to bless and awaken a new lion or in a more traditional concept bring down the spirit of the lion from the heaven and give it life. In other words this ceremony signifies the existence or birth of a new lion into the world.

    The actual eye dotting ceremony itself may differ from school to school. The following is a short description of how the ceremony is carried out in most southern gung fu schools. The ceremony usually begins by the new lion laid down in front of the ancestral altar where the lion waits to be awakened with its eyes securely shut and the mouth tightly closed.

    Traditionally a priest/monk present begins the ceremony chanting of prayers to heavenly gods and summon the spirit and soul of the lion from the heaven down into the lion. While the lion still awaits, an important individual is invited to the open the eyes of the lion by dotting the lion with symbolic blood or red ink-cinnabar. Traditionally the blood from a live rooster's comb was used to dot the lion.

    According to Chinese tradition red is regarded as a life giving colour as well as being associated with good fortune and prosperity and the rooster symbolizes maleness/positive yang element, which represents life and power. First the mirror on lion's forehead is dotted to give the lion life. Second are the eyes for sight, followed by the nose, tongue, ears, horn, back of head, spine and, finally the tail. Then a red ribbon is tied on to lion's horn, which is a symbol of courage and honour and signify that the lion is tamed. The red ribbon is also a reminder for the lion to do only good deeds.

    Dotting is carried out to the soft sounds of the drum, gong and the cymbal, but as the lion awakes and begins to move/dance the sound of the instruments become extremely loud. As the lion awakes the firecrackers are lid up and explode to drive away the evil spirits and bad luck. First the lion's eyes begin to move, flickering and blinking. Then the mouth opens and the body begins to breath, ears flickering, biting and scratching. Now the lion is alive and fully awake, ready for its first performance as it bows three times in front of the altar.

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    The red ribbon for Hung Mun people represents the color of blood and the life force, the horn was used for fighting, it was a reminder of the Chinese blood spilled in the fight against the Manchu’s who ruled over China at the time.

    I have included the english translation for what was said during the dotting ceremony.

    Cheers,
    Sifu Lau

    参花挂红拜师公
    PUTTING RED FLOWER RIBBON AND BOW TO OUR PREDECESSOR
    戴起响铃显灵通
    WEARING THE CHIMES THAT WILL AWAKENS ITS SPIRIT
    兄弟平安添义气
    MAY OUR BROTHERS HAVE PEACE AND MORE CHIVALRY
    吉昌兴旺永流芳
    SO WE MAY HAVE LUCK AND PROSPERITY FOR ALL ETERNITY

    醒狮点睛开光曲
    (灵光) 罡气天地人,狮中之瑞
    IN THE MIDST OF HEAVEN, EARTH AND MEN, THE LION REPRESENTS LUCK
    (双眼) 千里眼,左青龙,右白虎
    WITH EYES THAT CAN SEE TEN THOUSAND MILES, THE GREEN DRAGON ON THE LEFT AND THE WHITE TIGER ON THE RIGHT
    (双耳) 顺风耳, 左通天, 右达地
    A PAIR OF SMOOTHLY WINDED EARS, FOR THE LEFT PENETRATES THE HEAVEN, WHILE THE RIGHT REACHES THE EARTH
    (鼻) 万里鼻,能办妖淫邪恶
    A TEN THOUSAND MILES SENSING NOSE THAT CAN HANDLE ALL EVIL SPIRITS
    (嘴) 牙尖嘴利,吼声吭宇宙
    POINTED TEETH AND SHARP MOUTH, WITH GROWLING ROARS THAT IS HEARD THROUGHOUT IN THIS UNIVERSE
    (角) 独角震乾坤,万丈毫光
    A SINGLE HORN THAT ROCKS THE HEAVEN AND EARTH, UNLEASHES TEN THOUSAND MILES OF LIGHT
    (被) 威猛雄狮,长寿永无疆
    GIVING THIS FEROCIOUS AND BRAVE LION, A LONG LIFE OF NO BOUNDARIES
    (左脚) 左脚踏七星,天下太平
    LEFT FOOT STANDS ON SEVEN STARS, FOR THE WORLD TO HAVE PEACE
    (右脚) 右脚踏风云,降龙伏虎
    RIGHT FOOT STANDS ON WINDY CLOUDS, TO YIELD THE DRAGON AND SUPPRESS THE TIGER
    顺风顺水顺顺利利,大吉大利起鼓
    WITH FAVORABLE WINDS AND ROLLING WATER THAT SMOOTHLY FLOW, MAY WE ALL HAVE GOOD LUCK AND GOOD FORTUNE.

    Sifu Lau
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    Gee Sifu Lau,

    You are so different to Frank - knowledgeable, cultured, mild mannered and very constructive. Do you really have the same teacher as HIM?

    Thanks for the translation.

    XJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by extrajoseph View Post
    Gee Sifu Lau,

    You are so different to Frank - knowledgeable, cultured, mild mannered and very constructive. Do you really have the same teacher as HIM?

    Thanks for the translation.

    XJ

    Indeed Joseph.

    Let us all follow his example then shall we?

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