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    Can you believe this?

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,417122,00.html


    Investigators say the couple were just defending their family and probably won't be charged.

    Probably won't be charged??!!?? I'm waiting for the lefties to explain to me how defending themselves against the home invader was the wrong thing to do and this poor family needs to be prosecuted...
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    This has nothing to do with the left

    where are you getting that logic from Mas? Certainly not from FOX news which is right wing propaganda at its best. Texas Law regarding home invasion is pretty clear,although you CAN be charged with Manslaughter given certain circumstances. This attack spilled out onto the front lawn and it creates a gray area where they could be charged with something. But as the article stated, "they probably WONT be charged".

    I am a bit to the left when it comes to the world but i certainly recognize when you have to defend your life against an intruder in your home. I dont think ANYONE, be they Left or Right in their political thinking are going to fault this family for protecting their lives. You forget Mas judt this is TEXAS and wether you are a staunch conservative or Yella dog democrat or green party, most of us have home protection in this state and we all recognize and acknowledge our 2nd amendment right to have home protection and utilize it. Had these intruders been killed in side the home there would not be any issue.

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    Good on them.

    I've heard rumors there is a legal defense fund for homeowners charged with murder, assault, etc, who incurred the charges in self defense against burglars, rapists, and the like. Is that true, or was there smoke being blown up my ass?
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    Willow,
    I don't know what world you live in, (oh, yeah Texas) - it IS different in Texas. For the rest of the world, disarming the public and removing the right to prootect yourself has been a clarion call of the left. Always the left. Look at Briton, where it got so extreme they made it illegal to protect yourself in your own home...

    I'd suggest getting a copy of 1984 and Brave New World and Animal Farm - all good books about socialist victory - written by socialists. Really scary stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas Judt View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,417122,00.html


    Probably won't be charged??!!?? I'm waiting for the lefties to explain to me how defending themselves against the home invader was the wrong thing to do and this poor family needs to be prosecuted...
    I think this "Lefty" can answer that. I've been in Texas for 3 1/2 years now, and this happens all the time down here. In every case, the article says the homeowner, 'probably wont be charged.'

    "Probably wont be charged" is about the equivilant of "Happily Ever After" down here.

    Sorry to kill your argument, but that's what happens when you try to make a political slam where nothing warrants it.

    Oh yeah, most of the "Lefties" in Texas support Castle Doctrine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas Judt View Post
    Willow,
    I don't know what world you live in, (oh, yeah Texas) - it IS different in Texas. For the rest of the world, disarming the public and removing the right to prootect yourself has been a clarion call of the left. Always the left. Look at Briton, where it got so
    I don't think this argument holds much water either. Not anymore at least. I've noticed a definate political shift to the right in recent years. Liberals may still be liberals, but if you compare them to the liberals of the 1970's, they appear moderate.

    The gun control argument is shifting to precisely that, control. I think the days of banning firearms are gone. Look at Obama's speech last week. Now, I've never agreed with Mr. Obama on the gun control issue. I've always leaned strongly to the right on that issue. But when he said, "The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than for those plagued by gang-violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. ", I was pleased. The way he phrased that means he's accepted the recent support ruling on the 2nd. Remember this guy taught constitutional law for 9 years.

    I know this is not going to put conservatives at ease over gun control. It doesn't put me at ease either. But I can recognize that it's a step toward compromise. This is more indicitive of where the political culture is today, and more importantly, where I see it heading tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas Judt View Post
    Probably won't be charged??!!?? I'm waiting for the lefties to explain to me how defending themselves against the home invader was the wrong thing to do and this poor family needs to be prosecuted...
    What a stupid thing to say.

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    I think this "Lefty" can answer that...
    Good answer.

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    I don't think this argument holds much water either...
    Good follow up.
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    fwiw, in NC the law extends to your property line, not just the confines of your physical abode.

    however, you still have to believe you are in danger of losing your life or serious bodily harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas Judt View Post
    Willow,
    I Look at Briton, where it got so extreme they made it illegal to protect yourself in your own home...
    It is not, and has never been, illegal to defend yourself in your own home in Britain. It's illegal to gun down an unarmed 16 year old without warning. You are absolutely fine defending yourself in Britain, as long as you stay within the realms of self defence. There's no castle rule here, that's the only difference.
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    Not sure where people get the leftie thing here.

    There a plenty of us liberals and progressives who don't have a problem with guns for home protection.

    I have a problem with people who own guns who don't know how to use them and who can't control their emotions and tempers.

    Having worked in psych hospitals and with juvenile probation in the past, I also have a problem with crazies and felons having guns....

    Fully automatic weapons and armor piercing rounds... never met a deer that wore kevlar...and it is true sportsmanship to open up on animals from helicopters or with automatic weapons... shows those creatures who is boss...

    But I digress...

    In Texas, whenever there is a shooting like this, there is always an investigation. In most cases of home invasion (such as this one), the result is that they "refer the case to a grand jury with no charges" which means the person who did the shooting is officially off the hook.

    The law is pretty clear that if you are in fear for your life or for the lives of loved ones, you can shoot - now, it would be a 100% different story if the following happened :

    The attacker is shot once with his own gun...and is down and no longer a threat....and the homeowner then walks up and shoots again...

    In this case, it would be excessive force....since the threat was gone...

    But, at the same time, many law enforcement people would tell you "just don't say he was down and couldnt move...say you thought he was going for another gun..."

    I have even had law officers tell me that if we shot a burglar going out of the house, pull him back in and make it look like he was either coming in or was only turning because he was starteled...

    They tend to be VERY much on the side of the homeowner here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GLW View Post
    I have even had law officers tell me that if we shot a burglar going out of the house, pull him back in and make it look like he was either coming in or was only turning because he was starteled...

    No need to do that here in Texas. You're allowed to use deadly force to protect your property. Heck, we had a guy in Houston that shot two people in the [i]back[i/] because they were trying to rob his neighbors house and he got off the hook. Now, that bothers me not because of the circumstances in this case, but because of the precedent it sets. I think it's only a matter of time before we see people start shooting people and saying, "He was trying to rob my neighbor" to try and get off the hook. You gotta take the idiot factor into account if you're going to give that much leeway in castle doctrine.
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    It is not, and has never been, illegal to defend yourself in your own home in Britain. It's illegal to gun down an unarmed 16 year old without warning. You are absolutely fine defending yourself in Britain, as long as you stay within the realms of self defence. There's no castle rule here, that's the only difference.
    *ahem* Please your own newspaper from 2004:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...0/31/ixop.html

    Your foolish laws made big news over here due to the rise in home invasions as a result of home owners being prosecuted for defending their own homes.
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    I think gun ownership should require automatic safety and usage courses similar to getting a driver's licenses. I like the idea of background checks, but like some things I'm slightly worried about people ending up on "don't sell" lists due to political reasons, or even racial profiling. The Republicans have already damaged our rights enough with the Patriot Act and other measures put in place in the name of "safety". Also a little funny how far right Republicans are so concerned about our safety until it comes to giving violent criminals weapons

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    It's funny how this conversation is playing out. Doesn't it bother anyone that we HAVE to have code words for 'have a nice day' rather than just use plain English? This is the double-plus good impact of a hundred years of dedicated 'progressive' politics.
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    What are you talking about?

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