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    Greetings..

    Solution 101: The federal Government sends each individual taxpayer $200,000.00 ($+/- 125,000.00 after 'taxes') that's $250,000.00 for a married couple.. a single 'enforcable' stipulation: that whatever portion is required (all if necessary) be paid toward paying-off the mortgage.. total cost to the Fed, +/- $100 billion.. as opposed to $700 billion that still funds a corrupt and mis-managed system.. the stimulus to the economy would be unprecedented.. and, the pay-back in higher taxes over a longer period of time would be easily digestable... it's the ultimate "reset" button.. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!!!!

    This WILL work!!!

    Be well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satori Science View Post
    in that regard Hal may have been wrong, the article in the NY Times was pretty tragic.
    Actually, some might choose to view it as a long over-due case/clutch/gaggle of
    "chickens coming home to roost".

    I suppose we are from Canada and assume that you would obviously be getting a good education in your public school system, we all did.
    I'll believe that when you start spelling "where" correctly.
    (otoh, at least you're "consistent" in spelling it "ware")


    You are the richest country in the world right, seems a little strange for your people to be so disenfranchised when it comes to public education?
    The problem is that the so-called "franchise" now "belongs" to the government bureaucracies and the teachers unions.... which causes "clotting" in the form of irremediable/life-tenured non-functionaries (aka "teachers" and educational "management")

    Another thing that tends to mess up the works is all of the new-fangled/nonsensical/so-called educational theories being spewed/vomited forth from the teacher's colleges at our so-called institutions of higher education.

    A recent "fave" of mine:
    "Teaching science for social justice? Let Teachers College professor Angela Calabrese Barton, the volume’s principal author, try to explain: “The marriages between capitalism and education and capitalism and science have created a foundation for science education that emphasizes corporate values at the expense of social justice and human dignity.” The alternative? “Science pedagogy framed around social justice concerns can become a medium to transform individuals, schools, communities, the environment, and science itself, in ways that promote equity and social justice. Creating a science education that is transformative implies not only how science is a political activity but also the ways in which students might see and use science and science education in ways transformative of the institutional and interpersonal power structures that play a role in their lives.” If you still can’t appreciate why it’s necessary for your child’s chemistry teacher to teach for social justice, you are probably hopelessly wedded to reason, empiricism, individual merit, and other capitalist and post-colonialist deformities."
    Last edited by bakxierboxer; 09-24-2008 at 07:51 AM.

  3. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Satori Science View Post
    all canadians sound whinny, it comes from years of complaining about the winter, (at least in Saskatchewan)
    ??????

    So, you agree that he sounds an awful lot like Andrew Sullivan?
    Last edited by bakxierboxer; 09-24-2008 at 07:50 AM.

  4. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Satori Science View Post
    Here i'll make up a new system for you right now, how about a "Democratic Socialism" with actual "free markets" ware competition/innovation is mandated and enforced. As opposed to what we have now ware there is no longer even the illusion of freedom in the market ie "Monopoly Capitalism"
    That pretty much seems to be about what we've all (most of the "Western world") got now.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaiChiBob View Post
    Greetings..

    Solution 101: The federal Government sends each individual taxpayer $200,000.00 ($+/- 125,000.00 after 'taxes') that's $250,000.00 for a married couple.. a single 'enforcable' stipulation: that whatever portion is required (all if necessary) be paid toward paying-off the mortgage.. total cost to the Fed, +/- $100 billion.. as opposed to $700 billion that still funds a corrupt and mis-managed system..
    "Interesting"....
    OTOH, I seem to recall hearing the number 4,000,000 as being the number of mortgages with the potential for default..... 4,000,000 * 200,000 = 800,000,000,000.
    That's a higher figure than what's being tossed about for the buy-out now, and still won't directly do anything for the ailing businesses..... although their "bad paper" wouldn't be "as bad".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown View Post
    I had a co-worker who defected from Poland when it was still communist. The entire economy was supported through black market free enterprise because the socialist system was so ineffective. While he was at work as a factory engineer he used company materials and company time and company tools to make furniture to trade on the black market. He said this was they only way to get the things you needed to surrive. The lesson here is, even when left to themselves in an ineffective economic system people will spontaneously organize themselves into a capitalistic system. Why do they do this? Because it works, it is natural and it follows the principles of Tao.
    Exactly, beautifully said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakxierboxer View Post
    Actually, some might choose to view it as a long over-due case/clutch/gaggle of
    "chickens coming home to roost"."
    I completely agree!

    Quote Originally Posted by bakxierboxer View Post
    I'll believe that when you start spelling "where" correctly.
    (otoh, at least you're "consistent" in spelling it "ware")
    I am dyslexic (it runs in our family), i generally have to edit these posts repeatedly to catch all my errors. sorry. I generally scored a lower A average in college as opposed to a higher A average because of my grammar and spelling.


    Quote Originally Posted by bakxierboxer View Post
    The problem is that the so-called "franchise" now "belongs" to the government bureaucracies and the teachers unions.... which causes "clotting" in the form of irremediable/life-tenured non-functionaries (aka "teachers" and educational "management")
    yup,

    Quote Originally Posted by bakxierboxer View Post
    Another thing that tends to mess up the works is all of the new-fangled/nonsensical/so-called educational theories being spewed/vomited forth from the teacher's colleges at our so-called institutions of higher education.
    i agree, bad teachers are a major problem

    Quote Originally Posted by bakxierboxer View Post
    A recent "fave" of mine:
    "Teaching science for social justice? Let Teachers College professor Angela Calabrese Barton, the volume’s principal author, try to explain: “The marriages between capitalism and education and capitalism and science have created a foundation for science education that emphasizes corporate values at the expense of social justice and human dignity.” The alternative? “Science pedagogy framed around social justice concerns can become a medium to transform individuals, schools, communities, the environment, and science itself, in ways that promote equity and social justice. Creating a science education that is transformative implies not only how science is a political activity but also the ways in which students might see and use science and science education in ways transformative of the institutional and interpersonal power structures that play a role in their lives.” If you still can’t appreciate why it’s necessary for your child’s chemistry teacher to teach for social justice, you are probably hopelessly wedded to reason, empiricism, individual merit, and other capitalist and post-colonialist deformities."
    That is one thing I did a lot of research in, sounds like excellent stuff. If you could supply a link i would really appreciate it.
    Robert James
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  8. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Satori Science View Post
    I completely agree!
    Cool!


    I am dyslexic (it runs in our family), i generally have to edit these posts repeatedly to catch all my errors. sorry. I generally scored a lower A average in college as opposed to a higher A average because of my grammar and spelling.
    Hmmmm.... well, fortunately it doesn't muck up your CLF.


    yup,

    ????????
    WTF?
    I'm in a conversation where I'm actually agreeing with a native of Canuckistan?
    Oh!......... wait, it's not all that uncommon after all.
    (unless it's a "political thread" of some sort)

    i agree, bad teachers are a major problem
    Even in a Socialist paradise?


    That is one thing I did a lot of research in, sounds like excellent stuff. If you could supply a link i would really appreciate it.
    Henh!
    Depending on the November election, we may all get to hear and see all too much of that kind of nonsense.

  9. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by TaiChiBob View Post
    Greetings..

    Solution 101: The federal Government sends each individual taxpayer $200,000.00 ($+/- 125,000.00 after 'taxes') that's $250,000.00 for a married couple.. a single 'enforcable' stipulation: that whatever portion is required (all if necessary) be paid toward paying-off the mortgage.. total cost to the Fed, +/- $100 billion.. as opposed to $700 billion that still funds a corrupt and mis-managed system.. the stimulus to the economy would be unprecedented.. and, the pay-back in higher taxes over a longer period of time would be easily digestable... it's the ultimate "reset" button.. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!!!!

    This WILL work!!!

    Be well...
    Hi Bob,

    I have a co-worker who came up with basically the same idea. It is so easy and will fix the problem so well it will never happen because it takes control away from the powers that be!

    Available money to spend always stimulates the economy. It is like water, running water does not stagnate whereas sitting water beings to stagnate immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaiChiBob View Post
    Greetings..

    Solution 101: The federal Government sends each individual taxpayer $200,000.00 ($+/- 125,000.00 after 'taxes') that's $250,000.00 for a married couple.. a single 'enforcable' stipulation: that whatever portion is required (all if necessary) be paid toward paying-off the mortgage.. total cost to the Fed, +/- $100 billion.. as opposed to $700 billion that still funds a corrupt and mis-managed system.. the stimulus to the economy would be unprecedented.. and, the pay-back in higher taxes over a longer period of time would be easily digestable... it's the ultimate "reset" button.. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!!!!

    This WILL work!!!

    Be well...
    Well, they are spending 10 billion per month in Iraq and Afghanistan...
    Psalms 144:1
    Praise be my Lord my Rock,
    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Well, they are spending 10 billion per month in Iraq and Afghanistan...
    Freedom isn't free!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPalm View Post
    Freedom isn't free!
    Neither is poontang.
    Psalms 144:1
    Praise be my Lord my Rock,
    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

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    Found it!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Well, they are spending 10 billion per month in Iraq and Afghanistan...
    Ok. So lets say Obama cuts-and-runs in Iraq. Pulls the plug on that war. That saves us $120 billion. He has proposed $800 billion in NEW spending.

    How is he going to pay for that ADDITIONAL $680 billion and still cut taxes on 95% of Americans?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Ok. So lets say Obama cuts-and-runs in Iraq. Pulls the plug on that war. That saves us $120 billion. He has proposed $800 billion in NEW spending.

    How is he going to pay for that ADDITIONAL $680 billion and still cut taxes on 95% of Americans?
    Just add way more taxes to the super rich 1%.

    Problem solved.

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