hakka wing chun

[kung fu fighter]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0Myxu2TVGcM

[Shadow_warrior8]

This is SAAM PAI FAT 三拜佛, not Hakka Wingchun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIrfg...eature=related

[chusauli]

Yes, that is Sam Bai Fut demonstrated by Cheng Kwong's ex wife in Hong Kong. Not Hakka WCK!

Amazing to see it here online!

[TenTigers]

what is the origin of Sam Bai Fut? It looks kinda like Wing Chun and Hung Kuen.



Siu-Lum, Hakka,Wing Chun, so many dots to connect....

[chusauli]

Rik,

It is another branch passed down from the Red Boat Opera People, particularly to Dai Fa Mien Kam to Fung Siu Ching and then descended amongst several familiies. They retain the characters (Perpetual Spring), often romanized as Weng Chun, whereas Wing Chun Kuen (Praise Opera Fist) is romanized differently. It is a close cousin to other branches of WCK, but has a distinct bigger horse and more Siu Lam like attibutes than Praise Opera Fist.

"Chun" in the Ching dynasty referred to "Spring", "Opera", or "Sex".

Hope this helps. You could also refer to info on Jee Shim Weng Chun. My friend Andreas Hoffman is an authority on the system.

Best regards,

[TenTigers]

wow, "Praise Sex"

(gives new meaning to the term,"Laymen.")

-no wonder China has a population problem!

[kung fu fighter]

as well as seamen

[TenTigers]

um, yeah, but in traditional Martial history, many of the rebels and founders of our arts were laymen followers, rather than monks who took Buddhist vows (chastity being one of them!) hense the play on words.

Although many hid and trained on the Hung Suen (Red Opera Boats) so I guess you could say they were also Seamen

[sanjuro_ronin]

This thread is becuming a tad sticky...

[TenTigers]

well, if ya wanna have your Gung-Fu effective for the street, you need to have your mind in the gutter!

[chusauli]

Well, linked to the Hung Suen were floating brothels... These were the Flower boats.

[CFT]

Well, linked to the Hung Suen were floating brothels... These were the Red flower boats.

Uh oh! I can't see this going unanswered. Gird your loins Chu sifu!

Still, it is true that floating brothels were known as 'faa teng' (flower boats).

[chusauli]

http://www.mariner.org/exhibitions/h...flowerboat.php

and

http://chestofbooks.com/travel/china...a-Part-16.html

and

http://www.clipart.com/en/close-up?o=4421101

and

http://www.hsoy.org/history/china_trade.htm

There is history, after all.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

It's weird, but the rooting structure, stances, footwork and tactics of Wing Chun have always conjured up an image of maritime hand-to-hand combat for me. I've never really seen much info to support the fact, except the Red-boat connection, but there's always been a certain resonance with the physical reality of Wing Chun and naval hand-to hand requirements. No acrobatics, no high kicks, no schuai jiao with the intent to throw your opponent under the feet of battling hordes, and a focus on one-one one engagement within multiple opponent scenarios. It's as though there are design elements that resonate with a) the spatial/structural requirements of combat on a moving confined space, such as the deck of a boat or below deck, and b) the average combatant density (number of fighters) in naval hand-to-hand conflict. The weapons are also well suited to naval combat. Anyone have any concrete evidence to support these ideas?

[sanjuro_ronin]

It's weird, but the rooting structure, stances, footwork and tactics of Wing Chun have always conjured up an image of maritime hand-to-hand combat for me. I've never really seen much info to support the fact, except the Red-boat connection, but there's always been a certain resonance with the physical reality of Wing Chun and naval hand-to hand requirements. No acrobatics, no high kicks, no schuai jiao with the intent to throw your opponent under the feet of battling hordes, and a focus on one-one one engagement within multiple opponent scenarios. It's as though there are design elements that resonate with a) the spatial/structural requirements of combat on a moving confined space, such as the deck of a boat or below deck, and b) the average combatant density (number of fighters) in naval hand-to-hand conflict. The weapons are also well suited to naval combat. Anyone have any concrete evidence to support these ideas?

Well, it could be the case of a system being designed for the environment it is used in or a system MODIFIED for that environment or even a case of "looking back in history" to see a simple coincedence.
We may never know for sure...
Fun to speculate though.