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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    i prefer stabbing

    Same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akronviper View Post
    Apples and Oranges, he only needs to break your rib not the front of your house (Anyways the door or window would be easier unless their just showing off).
    That's the point... breaking is simply showing off for the guys who don't actually know whether or not they could really break a rib. Notice how the guys in boxing, Muay Thai, and MMA who are actually out there breaking ribs for real don't have a need to show off and break bricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifefighter View Post
    That's the point... breaking is simply showing off for the guys who don't actually know whether or not they could really break a rib. Notice how the guys in boxing, Muay Thai, and MMA who are actually out there breaking ribs for real don't have a need to show off and break bricks.
    You are missing all the fun we have breaking ****.
    Abusing coconuts, watermelons, bricks, patio stones, vicious woodland creatures, mouthy neighbours...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifefighter View Post
    That's the point... breaking is simply showing off for the guys who don't actually know whether or not they could really break a rib. Notice how the guys in boxing, Muay Thai, and MMA who are actually out there breaking ribs for real don't have a need to show off and break bricks.
    Muay Thai guys break bats with shin kicks, but bats do hit back (more advanced)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonM View Post
    However, unlike Uki, I don't respond with a knee-jerk disobedience to law either.
    we are two different types of people.
    Some laws are very valid. Others are not. I will disregard laws when my reason, tempered by compassion, tells me that the law is flawed. I will not flaunt laws nor will I attack police officers who are simply people doing a job... one rather necessary in a society of specialists.
    i simply ignore the laws and respect the fact that if i am to blantantly obvious i will attract the wrath of worldly punishments... yet i do not fear breaking the law. i too agree that the laws of men are as flawed as men.
    Uki: you are a tool. Literally.
    of course i realize this. i signed up for the job.
    The very jerks you believe you rebel against are using you to shape people's impression of how they should rebel and to simultaneously discredit the dissident voices of society because it's easy to disregard flakes who believe that men in black are hiding the flying saucers because they are a sign that the world will end when a rogue planet soars through the solar system during a galactic alignment on dec. 21, 2012 or some other such nonsense.
    i believe what i choose and what i wish. you give percieved reality too much credit... not all that is, is seen.

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    concrete isn't for breaking.

    Its for construction and makes a good road surface.

    Concrete will smash your head open faster than your head will smash concrete.

    That's all there is to say about it really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    concrete isn't for breaking.
    yet the mere conversation about it has expanded horizons...

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    There is no shortage of things to muse on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uki View Post
    i believe what i choose and what i wish. you give percieved reality too much credit... not all that is, is seen.
    Our perceptions are the only logical way to assess reality. Faith in things that are inaudible, intangible and invisible, things that we can not even verify exist, let alone that have an impact on us, leads only to delusion.

    An existentialist question is: can we trust our senses?

    Gautama Buddha believed conscious thought to represent nothing more than another sense. He also raised the question of whether senses can be trusted. However he and I differ in one way. In the end he said that senses are inherently untrustworthy and can lead to delusion. This included the sense of thought.

    I believe rather that as any one sense (thought especially) can be deluded the best way to rise above delusion is through the cross-referencing of sensory data. Therefore objects that only arise to one sense (for example thought) and not to the other five are likely delusions to be dismissed as such. Likewise something that can be seen but not felt, heard, smelled, tasted or touched are most probably illusions. In these cases (ex: distant stars) the sense of thought, through the use of reason can help to determine whether what we are experiencing is an illusion or reality. The application of reason is, at a fundamental level, the observation of cause and effect. Combined with the ability of humanity to observe and identify patterns. It is not a perfect tool for assessing the reality or illusionary nature of sensory data but it is the best tool available. Reason tells us that, within the bounds of our ability to communicate intelligibly with others, the experience of stars shining in the sky at night is universal. We have tools that allow us to enhance our sense of sight that lets us observe that stars are not dissimmilar in appearance from the sun - which can be seen, felt and thought about and thus passes the test of sense cross-reference - and as such reason allows us to say that, barring new and more compelling data stars are in fact objects alike to the sun and a great distance away.

    Gods, souls, angels, heavens, hells, what philosophers called natural law... these things MAY be able to be thought about (though certain mystical religious traditions actually deny the ability of a human to think about the totality of God) but do not pass the sensory cross-reference test. What does reincarnation taste like?

    And so the skeptic admits there may be phenomena that we have not yet sensed. But those phenomena that arise only to the sense of thought are likely delusions thrown up. False sensory data with no correlation to events outside of our own skull. And thus, until such time as further data suggests the veracity of those phenomena they should be disregarded as being likely false and a hinderance to clear thought.
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    TTT, I really want to see what Uki has to say on this, honestly I do.

    I'm lying, I really don't. But it's better than 1bad's thread being at the top.
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    I decided a long time ago, for myself, by myself, that I'm just going to wait till I die.

    Either I'll figure out there is an after life, ill fizzle, or ill be reborn without recognition, or perhaps something no one has ever thought of.

    to me, it doesnt really matter, im alive, right now. I live in the now, and I do what I feel is for the best.

    Confucious' the golden mean is a good rule to follow regardless of what you believe. its just common sense, IMO. Confucious was one cool dude, judging by what his followers left us.

    I dont not believe, I dont Do believe. I have my own thing going here, and I am quite content with that.
    For whoso comes amongst many shall one day find that no one man is by so far the mightiest of all.

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    Chopstick Breaks

    since we're on the topic of breaks, what about the chopstick break?

    Hold a handfull of chopsticks in a fist, knuckles perpendicuar to the ground, thumb on top. Sticks extending from the top of the fist upward, thus, held tightly abound the bottom ends. (perhaps 10-20 sticks).

    Thust fist forward, and stop, breaking all the sticks in half.

    I know there must be a trick, anybody know what it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonM View Post
    Our perceptions are the only logical way to assess reality.
    so why not have illogical perceptions?
    Faith in things that are inaudible, intangible and invisible, things that we can not even verify exist, let alone that have an impact on us, leads only to delusion.
    so i take it you do not believe in the concept of chi... that would make one delusional.
    An existentialist question is: can we trust our senses?
    no. but we can trust our intuitions...
    Gautama Buddha believed conscious thought to represent nothing more than another sense.
    the sense of manifesting perceptions by the way of thinking about them.
    He also raised the question of whether senses can be trusted.
    truly they cannot... look at mirages and other optical illusions... sight is but one sense.
    However he and I differ in one way.
    yes. he was called a buddha.
    In the end he said that senses are inherently untrustworthy and can lead to delusion. This included the sense of thought.
    thats why it is best to treat them like emotions... as a tool.
    I believe rather that as any one sense (thought especially) can be deluded the best way to rise above delusion is through the cross-referencing of sensory data.
    actually i'd recommend LSD or shrooms for a real wallop to your perceived senses.
    Therefore objects that only arise to one sense (for example thought) and not to the other five are likely delusions to be dismissed as such. Likewise something that can be seen but not felt, heard, smelled, tasted or touched are most probably illusions.
    i have heard light and seen sound... if it was an illusion, it was quite convincing.
    In these cases (ex: distant stars) the sense of thought, through the use of reason can help to determine whether what we are experiencing is an illusion or reality.
    actually it is just a matter of listening to our intuitions... we are all spiritual beings having a human experience.
    The application of reason is, at a fundamental level, the observation of cause and effect.
    and comprehending the manifestations of cause and effect is called understanding.
    Combined with the ability of humanity to observe and identify patterns.
    only if you are looking for them... may people are oblvious to the patterns of life.
    It is not a perfect tool for assessing the reality or illusionary nature of sensory data but it is the best tool available.
    finding your center and listening to your intuition is the best method available.
    Reason tells us that, within the bounds of our ability to communicate intelligibly with others, the experience of stars shining in the sky at night is universal.
    which is why mankind in it's most advanced state communicates without words, but by thoughts.
    We have tools that allow us to enhance our sense of sight that lets us observe that stars are not dissimmilar in appearance from the sun - which can be seen, felt and thought about and thus passes the test of sense cross-reference - and as such reason allows us to say that, barring new and more compelling data stars are in fact objects alike to the sun and a great distance away.
    a good example of observation...
    Gods, souls, angels, heavens, hells, what philosophers called natural law... these things MAY be able to be thought about (though certain mystical religious traditions actually deny the ability of a human to think about the totality of God) but do not pass the sensory cross-reference test.
    all answers are in us, realizing this is called enlightenment.
    What does reincarnation taste like?
    embryonic fluid.
    And so the skeptic admits there may be phenomena that we have not yet sensed.
    you've sensed it, you just haven't comprehended it yet.
    But those phenomena that arise only to the sense of thought are likely delusions thrown up.
    or really it may be your intuitions and you are so scared of them that you label them delusions.
    False sensory data with no correlation to events outside of our own skull.
    unless of course you are illogically percieving them at odds with the rest of the world view.
    And thus, until such time as further data suggests the veracity of those phenomena they should be disregarded as being likely false and a hinderance to clear thought.
    to fear change is to fear the way of nature...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uki View Post
    so why not have illogical perceptions?
    Because approaching our world-view in a systemically illogical way leads us to false assumptions and errors that can eventually become harmful to ourselves or others.

    so i take it you do not believe in the concept of chi... that would make one delusional.
    This is correct.

    no. but we can trust our intuitions...
    Intuition is simply unconscious processing of sensory data. It is no more or less trustworthy than conscious processing of sensory data. It can be right or wrong.

    actually i'd recommend LSD or shrooms for a real wallop to your perceived senses.
    i have heard light and seen sound... if it was an illusion, it was quite convincing.
    actually it is just a matter of listening to our intuitions... we are all spiritual beings having a human experience.
    Well, hey, it worked for Syd Barrett right?

    all answers are in us, realizing this is called enlightenment.
    Your mistake is assuming you know all the answers. This draws you away from enlightenment.

    or really it may be your intuitions and you are so scared of them that you label them delusions.
    My intuition and I are on good terms largely because I understand what intuition is. Gee, bet you wish you had taken even an intro-psychology course... no, wait, I forgot... Learning is bad because only answers you make up for yourself are true.

    unless of course you are illogically percieving them at odds with the rest of the world view.

    to fear change is to fear the way of nature...
    This is a non-sequitur. Clearly you received false sensory data with regards to what I actually said. Perhaps you have to lay off the LSD.
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    Wow....kings of the multi-quote!
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