Guangzhou Bak Mei and Hong Kong Bak Mei?

[Steeeve]

simple

HK pak mei is a off shoot of the dragon style lung ying .....the guandzhou have more similiraties with the southern mantis (chow gar)...Who Knows ?????

Steeeve

[5thBrother]

"..... the guandzhou have more similiraties with the southern mantis (chow gar)"

if that is the case, thats interesting and very interested to hear more about this please, similarities and relationship with chow gar lam tong long.

Thanks!

[Yum Cha]

simple

HK pak mei is a off shoot of the dragon style lung ying .....the guandzhou have more similiraties with the southern mantis (chow gar)...Who Knows ?????

Steeeve

Sorry Steeve, not accurate.

[Steeeve]

Ok

Sup luk dung of the lung ying

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2BZ5E9Iqxpo

here jik bo of CLC Pak mei or HK

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUjuaGTllQ

here futshan pak mei

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=9EHO6rWCVTM


well nothing to do with southern mantis.....chow gar or jook lum
but very different of the Hk Pak mei....

here chow gar

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=h4cZsH...eature=related

[Yum Cha]

More broadly speaking, Loong Ying, Pak Mei and Southern Praying Mantis form a cluster, possibly including mok gar, of 'cousin' styles.

That '3 step' practice routing is often cited as one of the common threads, and there was a thread about the skills coming from Southern White Crane in preceding generations, but that's the only commonality.

[Steeeve]

YUm YOU are Right Bro The Hakka

YUM YUM

Steeeve

[Fung Ngan]

Hi Yum Cha,

Yes, you are right. Most branches of Futshan (佛山) Pak Mei are from student(s) of Ha Hon Hung (夏汉雄) like Qiu Taisheng (仇太生) who taught Qiu Wu (仇乌) and Liu Shaoliang (刘少良). Liu ShaoLiang’s son Liu Weiji (刘伟基) runs now the school "Liu Shaoliang the memorial hall”( 刘少良纪念馆) where Pak Mei is taught.

Although Ha Hon hung is now better know for his Yau Kung Mun, he has been teaching Pak Mei for a long time. He was a very accomplished martial artist that got a hight degree in martial arts at the Guangdong fine martial sports club (广东精武体育会). There are several branches of Pak Mei that trace back to Ha Hon Hung. Like the branch of the book Pak Mei of ZhiZui Wong. Ha Hon Hung had a large school in Guangzhou like the in 1924 established school “Pearl River Guo Shu society, Ha Hon Hung sports club” (珠江国术社、夏汉雄体育会) and so not that strange had he had many students.

His Yau Kung Mun was as far as I know mainly taught after is move to HK.....Didn’t know that was to avoid conflict, thought they in HK just liked more Yau Kung Mun

[holymantis]

What Lineage in Pak Mei was H.B.Un the author.
regards Holymantis

[Fung Ngan]

“Ho Ban Un” was a student of Cheung Lai Chun. He lived for a while in the UK and did some teaching there. And of course wrote the most well-known Pak Mei book.

You can find him in the Pak Mei lineage chart at:
http://www.pakmei.org/table.htm
(green part in Chinese 阮浩斌 17th from top)
Cantonese : (Jy)un Hou Ban
Pinyin : Ruan Hao Bin

[holymantis]

Hi Fung Ngan,
Thank you for your replie.
will take a look there.
regards roy

[Lai See]

“Ho Ban Un” was a student of Cheung Lai Chun. He lived for a while in the UK and did some teaching there. And of course wrote the most well-known Pak Mei book.

You can find him in the Pak Mei lineage chart at:
http://www.pakmei.org/table.htm
(green part in Chinese 阮浩斌 17th from top)
Cantonese : (Jy)un Hou Ban
Pinyin : Ruan Hao Bin

I can't seem to see the link you have kindly provided on my computer. Are there any of Un Ho Bun's students shown on the chart?
Thank you in advance.

[Fung Ngan]

Lai See,

阮浩斌 Un Hou Ban (Pinyin Ruan Haobin)

His students from lineage chart:
黃煌保 Wong Wong Bou (pinyin Huang Huangbao)
巫房生 Mou Fong Sang (pinyin Wu Fangsheng)
巫仕強 Mou Si Koeng (pinyin Wu Shiqiang)
巫冠群 Mou Gun Kwan (pinyin Wu Guan Gun)
巫冠雄 Mou Gun Hung (pinyin Wu Guanxiong)
巫冠揚 Mou Gun Yang (pinyin Wu Guanyang)
巫煌軒 Mou Wong Hin (pinyin Wu Huangxuan)
巫玉生 Mou Juk Sang (pinyin Wu Yusheng)

Hope it helps.

www.pakmeipai.nl

[Lai See]

This is very kind of you, thank you again.

I wonder how this site recognises members of the lines? Is it by submission and consequent acceptance and addition or not,. It is most interesting nonetheless.
Sorry to trouble you.

By your attached website, I shall say 'proost'!

[Yum Cha]

I think they do it by both submission and their own reckoning.

For example, our lineage is attached to the Har Hon Hong. Har was Sigungs SiHing, but sigung studied with both CLC and Lam Yu Gwai in the earliest days of the Pak Mei Pai, granted, he was a young fellow.

Originally, it was published as such, but somewhere along the line, they slipped in Har Hon Hong. I have often wondered what the reason was.

Also, there are now two different associations for Pak Mei, perhaps 3. Each represents its own membership in the manner it prefers as well, and I'm not sure they all agree.

Nevertheless, it is a valiant attempt to make order from chaos, and to recognise and organise the Pai into a coherent structure. The effort those guys are putting into it, considering the widespread nature of the membership is a blessing to the style and the memory of Grand Master CLC.

[Lai See]

You are indeed correct. It is without doubt a marvellous and most interesting chart albeit a slightly confusing one!

I do enjoy your signature, it is most fitting!