Kenpo-More Chinese than Japanese?

[SimonM]

I see... well score one point on the moke slot for deliberately misleading students...

[sanjuro_ronin]

This is why I have always said that who a person knows or even trains with is irrelevant to the persons skill and understanding of a fighting system, its what they can do.

As I have often stated, wanna know my "lineage" ?
Step out on to the "mat" and I will show you it.

[SimonM]

Kung Fu = Gong Fu = Gung Fu (all of the above essentially mean "hard work")
Wu Gong = Martial Arts
Wu Shu = Martial Arts (not as commonly used in Northern China as Wu Gong)
Chang Quan = Long Fist
Nan Quan = Southern Fist
Taiji = Tai Chi = Taijiquan = Tai Chi Chuan = Tai Chi Quan
Hsingyi = Xingyi = Hsing-i
Bagua = Pakua

So, please, if somebody tries to plump their credentials by saying they practiced Kung Fu, Gong Fu, Wu Gong, Wu Shu, Hsing-i, and Xingyi.... remember... the only thing they claimed to do was practice some sort of martial art including Xingyi.

China is a pain in the ass for names.... don't let that trick you.

[jimmi555]

yeah, Kung-Fu, Gung-Fu AND Chinese Boxing.

If you would read, just a wee tad. Do a little research. Open a book. Google something.(learn to spell BTW) perhaps you might realize that Kung-Fu, Gung-Fu and Chinese Boxing are simply differen t spellings and names
FOR THE EXACT SAME THING!
What this means is that he has absolutely no clue of what he is talking about.
His story changes each time he tells it, he makes up names, facts, etc
Either he is a pathological liar, or he thinks you, and the rest of the public are so stupid that you would buy into this bulls*** without ever checking it out.
oh...actually, that is exactly what you did.
hmmm.....

kung fu or gung fu or chinese boxing are the same thing yes, i know that , every one knows that, the only diferance is the way its pronownsed, im sure Fred knew that as well, i think your getting hung up on details on words and letting your imagination run wild, on the contrary i have done much reserch and that is how i know all this that im telling you , i even talked to many of his first students, when he started all this, people that were very close to him, i have talked to him as well to see if the information matches , because Villari said this or that or did not tell the hole story from the begining dose not make it lies, i have made the same mistake before and i too was asked why you did not say this from the begining, so i can see how this would cause a problem, but i cant take just take your interpitation of what Fred Villari said i have to take into account all the information that i have gathered
and i have plenty of thing to be critical about with Fred, his too comershal for my liking he only cares about money not teachin high quality martial arts, as long as he gets his cut im sure he would never tell his instructors there not qualified to teach, but for him self he is realy good a master

[jimmi555]

I worked for mattera he is a scumbag! Cheap $astard who only cares about himself!

Didn't GM Villari send charlee threw a wall one time?
Sparing match I meen.

I don't know Matteras personality to tell you if he is a good man or scum bag as you say, i do know that he is a very good fighter, and he and Villari had many matches people would come to watch, and they did end there relationship not on the good side, with money conflicts lol

[jimmi555]

Really? How well do you know him?

He rips off his instructors so he can drive around in his nice cars and let you drive a p.o.s.

I do know that his the only Villari instructor to drive a Ferari lol

[jimmi555]

Vallari is a ensiclopedia of kung fu information, that is the last thing he needed to do just to show that he has alot of information to teach, you seem to realy have it our for Villari lol, i will not try to defend him and get in a argument with you or any one, after all his not a fried of mine lol , i just wanted to give some facts that i have recerched about him and his style, i did find our descution very interesting hope we can find another subject to talkd about that wont cause such a stir lol
kind regards
james

[TenTigers]

I do know that his the only Villari instructor to drive a Ferari lol

I think Steve Demasco had a Ferarri as well.

[TenTigers]

kung fu or gung fu or chinese boxing are the same thing yes, i know that , every one knows that, the only diferance is the way its pronownsed, im sure Fred knew that as well, i think your getting hung up on details on words and letting your imagination run wild, on the contrary i have done much reserch and that is how i know all this that im telling you , i even talked to many of his first students, when he started all this, people that were very close to him, i have talked to him as well to see if the information matches , because Villari said this or that or did not tell the hole story from the begining dose not make it lies, i have made the same mistake before and i too was asked why you did not say this from the begining, so i can see how this would cause a problem, but i cant take just take your interpitation of what Fred Villari said i have to take into account all the information that i have gathered
and i have plenty of thing to be critical about with Fred, his too comershal for my liking he only cares about money not teachin high quality martial arts, as long as he gets his cut im sure he would never tell his instructors there not qualified to teach, but for him self he is realy good a master

this is why there are schools like vilarri,ussd,etc
they fill a need

[SimonM]

Thank you so much, Jimmi555, for your careful scrutiny of my suggestions.

[ktkungfu]

I think Steve Demasco had a Ferarri as well.

The sweat of his instructors.

[ktkungfu]

I don't know Matteras personality to tell you if he is a good man or scum bag as you say, i do know that he is a very good fighter, and he and Villari had many matches people would come to watch, and they did end there relationship not on the good side, with money conflicts lol

Yeah they didn't really talk about GM FRED VILLARI. Hide where they come from but teach his art.

[TenTigers]

The sweat of his instructors.

I don't think that is true, at least not when I was with them. I felt I got good money and bonuses, and Demasco, being district manager over several schools, got a piece of each. Not a big enough piece that denied me of my share. Nothing wrong with profit sharing.
But also bear in mind that I was a paid instructor, and not a school owner. Obviously, as a separate entity, I get the entire net profits.
He and I didn't click, which is okay. You're not going to be best friends with everybody you meet. Chemistry is chemistry.
I would've liked to have seen more quality control, and I am sure that Demasco, after all these years has gotten the bugs out of the system when it comes to that. You don't go on this long making the same mistakes.

I just don't understand why some of you cannot let go.

"Holding a grudge is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die."
Trust me, you are holding all this hostility, and he probably doesn't even remember your name.
let it go.
move on with your life.

[jimmi555]

I think Steve Demasco had a Ferarri as well.

I olny know the original 5 Villari instructors,and only one of them personaly so i would not know that about Steve Demasco

[jimmi555]

The ones i know Villari trained well were, Steave Bagly, Art Singer, Petter Shean,Charley Matera,and Steve Bucannon, i only know Mr.Bucannon in person and personaly have seen him teaching and as a fighter for years, he was the best i ever saw in hard style