Master David Cheung's new Wing Chun federation

[zuti car]

It is my great pleasure to announce that TWCKF federation of Serbia, since
5 .XI.2008 . is officialy associated with Master David Cheung .After ten days in Serbia , and five days seminar , TWCKF federation of Serbia made agreement with Master David Cheung , and he accepted responsibility of leading organization in the future . Now we officaly work David Cheung’s system
( unofficially we practiced this system for 30 years ) , and in the future we will use name “Shaolin Wing Chun” .




Master David visit the club in Pozarevac , and part of his demonstration on Budo Night in Veliko Gradiste , wich was organised in his honer
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JAt7cyvMA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5abBxP7PH5Y

Couple of pictures - with mayor of Veliko Gradiste , and one groupe photo from seminar

[kung fu fighter]

From what I understand William Cheung was forced to leave HK for Austrillia in a hurry as well as with Bruce Lee for States due to a gang related incident in HK . At that time he hadn't yet completed Yip Man's wing chun. So he kept bugging his brother David to come to Austrillia to show him the rest of the stuff, it was David Cheung who helped William Cheung to complete Yip Man's so called modified wing chun system.

[anerlich]

From what I understand

Your understanding appears to be inaccurate.

[Phil Redmond]

From what I understand William Cheung was forced to leave HK for Austrillia in a hurry as well as with Bruce Lee for States due to a gand related incident in HK . At that time he hadn't yet completed Yip Man's wing chun. So he kept bugging his brother David to come to Austrillia to show him the rest of the stuff, it was David Cheung who helped William Cheung to complete Yip Man's so called modified wing chun system.

You are so wrong. David learned from his older brother William Cheung. I know that for a fact. I was there when the subject came up in Toronto during Dim Sum with William Cheung's other brothers. There was also a discussion regarding how long Cheung Sifu lived in YM's home. Where do you get this crazy mis-information from???

[Phil Redmond]

Food for thought. Why is David doing and teaching TWC in those clips if he taught William Cheung?

[sihing]

My first Sifu met and trained with David while there in Australia back in 86'. I understand that David trained in Wong Shun Leung system for some 10yrs, then was recruited by William to come teach at his Aussie Training center.

I think it's fair to say that W.Cheung taught David his TWC, but Navin was referring to the idea that maybe David taught William what he learned from the Wong line when he relocated to Australia.

From the vid's on Youtube it is amazing how much the too brothers move alike. In one vid, I thought it was William himself, but knew something was different about him. David seems to be smaller than William.

Zuti,

Is there any difference in what David is teaching you guys there, and what is being taught through William's organization?

James

[sihing]

Food for thought. Why is David doing and teaching TWC in those clips if he taught William Cheung?

From what I was told, William didn't treat David very well at the Aussie school. Ever time William used David as a demo partner he would beat the crap out of him, so maybe he got sick of it and decided to leave like he did.

Again, I don't think Navin meant that David taught William TWC, but rather the rest of the so called "modified" system. It's debateable as to whether Yip Man even taught William what is called TWC, or if William invented it himself, or he learned HFY WC and changed the name???

James

[Ultimatewingchun]

From what I understand William Cheung was forced to leave HK for Austrillia in a hurry as well as with Bruce Lee for States due to a gand related incident in HK . At that time he hadn't yet completed Yip Man's wing chun. So he kept bugging his brother David to come to Austrillia to show him the rest of the stuff, it was David Cheung who helped William Cheung to complete Yip Man's so called modified wing chun system.

***THIS is some serious trolling, fool...

[zuti car]

Zuti,

Is there any difference in what David is teaching you guys there, and what is being taught through William's organization?

James

In the beginning they teached the same thing,i can say that now , William and David teach two different arts . The main difference is in approach to the art , what style should be , what to expect , what can be achived,also , David s method of passing knowledge is unique , and thing that i like most , there is no "close door ' studens , no "private classes" , no "secrets tecniques' - everything is open , and enyone who want to learn is welcome
One more thing that we are douing is special form of Chi Kung, wich can be practiced as part of style or totaly separately , but it is very important to achive high level of proficiency in the system .

[Museumtech]

From what I was told, William didn't treat David very well at the Aussie school. Ever time William used David as a demo partner he would beat the crap out of him, so maybe he got sick of it and decided to leave like he did.

I was at the school in the early 80's and saw none of that. Whether it occurred later I can't say.

or he learned HFY WC and changed the name???

Funny I have heard this argument in reverse (and upside down and backwards). Perhaps the similarity between HFY, a non-Yip man linage, and TWC support the Leung Bik story. After all, if it were true then you would imagine that similarities should be found between TWC and non-Yip Man wing chun?

[sihing]

In the beginning they teached the same thing,i can say that now , William and David teach two different arts . The main difference is in approach to the art , what style should be , what to expect , what can be achived,also , David s method of passing knowledge is unique , and thing that i like most , there is no "close door ' studens , no "private classes" , no "secrets tecniques' - everything is open , and enyone who want to learn is welcome
One more thing that we are douing is special form of Chi Kung, wich can be practiced as part of style or totaly separately , but it is very important to achive high level of proficiency in the system .

Good luck to you Zuti, I hope you get out of the training what you seek from it.

Just beware of things, like you mentioned "special chi kung". All a fighting system can do is make one's body more able to produce power and good body mechanics, timing and the such while in combat. Special breathing excersises have really nothing to do with it, as chi will not make you a better fighter. It can help one learn how to breath properly when under stressful situations, and for health purposes I totally believe in chi kung, but it has nothing to do with one's fighting effectiveness. Good body mechanics, fast, powerful strikes and good mobile footwork are some of the things that make one hard to deal with in combat.

James

[kung fu fighter]

From what I was told, William didn't treat David very well at the Aussie school. Ever time William used David as a demo partner he would beat the crap out of him, so maybe he got sick of it and decided to leave like he did.

Again, I don't think Navin meant that David taught William TWC, but rather the rest of the so called "modified" system. It's debateable as to whether Yip Man even taught William what is called TWC, or if William invented it himself, or he learned HFY WC and changed the name???

James

Thanks James, that's exactly what i meant. no disrespect was intended to Phil or any other TWC practioners. Just sharing one of the the story that i heard about David Cheung.

[Phil Redmond]

From what I was told, William didn't treat David very well at the Aussie school. Ever time William used David as a demo partner he would beat the crap out of him, so maybe he got sick of it and decided to leave like he did. . . . James

As early as last year David Cheung asked his brother William Cheung if he could come back to the school and teach.

[Phil Redmond]

I was at the school in the early 80's and saw none of that. Whether it occurred later I can't say. . . . .

I also asked some of the older Aussie students and they concur with you. Rumors and stories run rampant in the martial arts community.

[anerlich]

I do remember reading about David and William having some sort of a bust-up ... some time in the 1980's IIRC. David set up his own organisation shortly thereafter, not that I followed the story that closely or particularly cared.

William Cheung has had more than a few people leave his organisation, to the extent that the term "revolving door" might be appropriate, sometimes under fairly acrimonious circumstances, so having an argument with a sibling hardly seems out of character.

James' former instructor Brian Lewadny, and two of mine, David Crook and Rick Spain parted company with him, as did Marty Goldberg.

This is not to disrespect anyone who left or anyone who stayed, just a statement of fact.

It's this part that is unlikely IMO:

So he kept bugging his brother David to come to Austrillia to show him the rest of the stuff, it was David Cheung who helped William Cheung to complete Yip Man's so called modified wing chun system.

The usual story has it that Willam completely learned both "versions" from YM. WSL was also one of very few of his contemporaries that he kept up a good relationship with. Unless there were some issues of face or pride on WCheung's part, there's no reason that he couldn't have got whatever "secrets" WSL got directly from WSL.

It would be sensible (albeit uncommonly so in Wing Chun) for people like the Cheung brothers and WSL to share ideas. But to extrapolate that into the scenario quoted above is IMO absurd.