OT: The Culture of Corruption Will be the Death of China

[TenTigers]

I am not sure what I fear most-Government corruption, or corruption of the FDA for being controlled by the pharma companies. Gangland corruption is not as scary. Mobs control certain businesses-casinos, construction,catering,drugs, prostitution,etc-things that I don't deal with. Bikers control their drug market,guns,prostitution, stripper bars-things that don't affect me, because I don't get involved with them. Besides, they don't affect their consumers, they affect the suppliers and providers. John Q. Public goes through his entire life without ever coming in contact with the mob.
You know where you stand with them.
But my food, medicine etc? That scares me. That affects my everyday life and that of my loved ones.

[diego]

I am not sure what I fear most-Government corruption, or corruption of the FDA for being controlled by the pharma companies. Gangland corruption is not as scary. Mobs control certain businesses-casinos, construction,catering,drugs, prostitution,etc-things that I don't deal with. Bikers control their drug market,guns,prostitution, stripper bars-things that don't affect me, because I don't get involved with them. Besides, they don't affect their consumers, they affect the suppliers and providers. John Q. Public goes through his entire life without ever coming in contact with the mob.
You know where you stand with them.
But my food, medicine etc? That scares me. That affects my everyday life and that of my loved ones.

criminals are getting more techy tho...street heroin and bootleg Tylenol what's the difference to buddy right?. PROPHET

[Kansuke]

Do you not know how to spell, or did you just really change the topic?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Corruption in government ???
NNNOOOOO !!!!!!
Say it ain't so !!!

[SimonM]

I know that a thread about government corruption may not seem particularly... surprising. However the situation in China is spiralling out of control. Beijing needs to clamp down on it. And they know it too. Problem is that Beijing's method has been by finding expendable big-wigs (such this guy and the mayor of shanghai) and saccrificing them without tackling the systemic issues that allow things like this to happen.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I know that a thread about government corruption may not seem particularly... surprising. However the situation in China is spiralling out of control. Beijing needs to clamp down on it. And they know it too. Problem is that Beijing's method has been by finding expendable big-wigs (such this guy and the mayor of shanghai) and saccrificing them without tackling the systemic issues that allow things like this to happen.

Its always been like that in China, it may be more public now, sign of the times that's all.

[SimonM]

It fluxuates in China. It's reaching a head now. The stability of Beijing and the ability of the CCP to maintain the mandate will depend on how they handle the problem.

[WinterPalm]

I prefer to say that scumbags are running the show rather than point out any one skin colour designation. I'm white, I resent people always saying white people are running everything and doing so much evil. I'm not running anything. I'm not corrupt...maybe a little evil?
I think the same standard should apply...you can't say black people are all welfare bum criminals...so why can you say white people are to blame for all this? The Chinese example shows that it has nothing to do with skin colour, but rather the nature of some people to be corrupt.

[David Jamieson]

not "some" people.

There are no people that are not subject to corruption.

In fact, many of our corruptions we are wholly unaware of because they are not deemed to be so.

It is in our nature and a survival instinct to allow for corruption to further our own goals as individuals.

I would say that there are "some" people who are not corrupt as opposed to "some" who are.

[diego]

Do you not know how to spell, or did you just really change the topic?

you're stupid, buddy got his head cut off I bet he goes to triad strip clubs...there it's on topic.

[diego]

I prefer to say that scumbags are running the show rather than point out any one skin colour designation. I'm white, I resent people always saying white people are running everything and doing so much evil. I'm not running anything. I'm not corrupt...maybe a little evil?
I think the same standard should apply...you can't say black people are all welfare bum criminals...so why can you say white people are to blame for all this? The Chinese example shows that it has nothing to do with skin colour, but rather the nature of some people to be corrupt.

dude look at our courts and city hall's it's all white people in ceo positions since the first thanksgiving...other scumbags are taking over but history is a very small thing...there only been 40 something american presidents you can trace most of our ghettoes to white people. and spaniards but the brits and yanks won...it is what it is, we are going to see more rwanda's as it continues to change. this is all very on topic.

[diego]

not "some" people.

There are no people that are not subject to corruption.

In fact, many of our corruptions we are wholly unaware of because they are not deemed to be so.

It is in our nature and a survival instinct to allow for corruption to further our own goals as individuals.

I would say that there are "some" people who are not corrupt as opposed to "some" who are.

okay people are people, but territory is something else. My people white people control the territories. we drop bombs as we wish. and have fun doing it too. I also have native people so I'm not too happy about it. I DIDN'T SAY NORTH AMERICAN MULTICULTURAL PEOPLE WITH WHITE SKIN. I said white people.

Personnally, I'd like to give a big shout out to all of the half breeds out there...yall taking over!!

[SimonM]

you're stupid, buddy got his head cut off I bet he goes to triad strip clubs...there it's on topic.

A few things:

1) When I said heads would roll I was being metaphoric, not literal. Most likely he was killed by a single gunshot administered either to the base of the skull from behind or to the heart as this is the standard method of execution in China at this time.

2) He was executed by the Chinese government.

3) He was executed, this is important, for taking bribes from pharmaceutical companies in exchange for licensing medicines that had not been properly tested for consumer safety.

4) The likely covert reason for his execution is the preponderance of food and medicine related scandals that have rocked China over the last two years. These include (but are not limited to):

Toxic red dye in duck eggs.
Melamine in baby formula.
Melamine in animal feed.
Melamine in other, miscellaneous, dairy products.
Brake fluid in toothpaste.
Unsafe medicine.

Now, please allow me to be clear about another thing:

In all of these cases there is absolutely no indication that there was any involvement of Triads. Every one of these cases involved simple malfeasance on behalf of otherwise legitimate businesspeople and allegations of corruption within the food and drug administration who took bribes to look the other way. Although there may be Triad involvement with some corrupt politicians in China they are not a major player in the food and medicine industries. Nor are they major players in the land development issues or natural resource management issues that mark two other areas China has major problems in with regards to corruption.

Furthermore this is not and never should be percieved as an issue of ethnicity. It is related to the current socio-economic conditions present within the nation of the People's Republic of China at this time.

I hope this helps to clarify what is on topic.

If you are in further doubt you can read the article I linked to in the first post.

Oh, and this just came down the pipe today...

[bawang]

every time corruption is rampant new dynasty comes. china will survive and live on. when china was mongolfied in yuan dynasty they revived everything, now its is westernized but things will be revived. nothing against western culture just that people in china dont have the moral code and self control because of lack of culture and religion and identity

[SimonM]

Spoken like somebody who has never been to China or spoken to a Chinese person.

China has quite a lot of culture. More than most places in fact. Culture does not necessarily entail the culture that is familliar to us as outsiders but rather entails the system of traditions, beliefs, mores, norms and behaviors that characterize a cohesive identity.
Anyone who has spent time with a Chinese family can see these cultural dynamics in action as plain as day.

Likewise China is religiously diverse, being home to everything from avowed athiests to religious ascetics of many different stripes. The constitution of China recognizes Buddhism, Taoism and Islam as religions that have official sanction.

Finally Chinese people have a powerful and complex sense of identity. Sometimes this can be a source of great strength. Other times it can be part of the problem as part of the Chinese national identity is an awareness both that the nation has suffered from colonialism and a belief that it should not have been so weak that it would.

To be blunt the strength of the Chinese national identity made me more aware of how poorly we Canadians have defined our national identity.