Hey Knifefighter,
These are the movements you train, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So60uDg2x6o
My comment was to Taylor. The fact that I said to him you can speak for yourself, but you take that as an insult, is amusing.
And where is this first time to this "second time" to which you refer?
Did I accuse you of being self righteous? Heck, beyond saying you have a bug up your @ass, did I make any accusations?
What names did I call you? What insults did I hurl at you? Find them. I doubt you can because they don't exist. What does exist is my questions and comments on subjects which can be reasonably discussed over the internet.
As I said before, I have no problem if you want to make this about me. Again, you reference "past discussions". What are you talking about? Pull up those discussions. As for my intentions it's simple: I ask questions and make comments on subjects I find interesting that can be reasonably discussed over the internet. What's yours?
Last edited by Tom Kagan; 12-16-2008 at 03:26 PM.
When you control the hands and feet, there are no secrets.
http://www.Moyyat.com
If HFY trains people to do in fighting what they do in training (which of course it doesn't), then why was Milton brought in as an example of HFY's training? He's not moving anything like he moves in the WCK forms or drills -- he's not using WCK movement at all. He's boxing/kickboxing.
BTW, it's easy to see if a school is a McDojo or not -- just watch the instructor spar (if he doesn't or won't spar, then McDojo) and the students spar (if they don't spar, then McDojo) and see if they move in sparring like they train to move or if it all goes out the window when they spar (McDojo). This would tell you, for example, if theTKD jiujitsu school you brought up was McDojo. Same with any WCK school.
I have no idea why that vid was brought in. I'm not going to dissect his video w/r to wc body methods, etc. I'm sure if you asked him he could elaborate on which concepts and aspects of HFY WC contribute to his overall game.
McDojo is just talking about the fast food like replication of a franchise. Mostly the TKD ATA school training ground work I brought up would fit that bill. But then again you do like to make up your own definitions and define that as truth, don't you?BTW, it's easy to see if a school is a McDojo or not -- just watch the instructor spar (if he doesn't or won't spar, then McDojo) and the students spar (if they don't spar, then McDojo) and see if they move in sparring like they train to move or if it all goes out the window when they spar (McDojo). This would tell you, for example, if theTKD jiujitsu school you brought up was McDojo. Same with any WCK school.
On a macro scale, a lot of things look similar. Which kind of reminds me of a Neal McCoy song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymOGM3d1cMU
Sanjuro Ronin,
Not all wing chun lineages use the same exact set of techniques. Some lineages incorporate and blend from other styles. Even with the Yip Man lineage, the Moy Yat and William Chung lineages are different. The footwork is different.
Regarding boxing and muay tai, I haven't trained in them. I've only watched movies and videos but haven't had trainers explain details. As such, my knowledge is limited. I don't just throw all Muay Tai teachers and masters as the same. Doing so with all fighting systems is inappropriate.
My WC experience is Moy Yat from Sifu Chan and Tang.
I agree with what you mention in regards to footwork and incorporating from other systems.
Here is the thing, when you see a MT coach or students train their MT, it looks exactly the same as when they apply their MT in a fight, ring or otherwise.
We know that is not the case, typically, with WC.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !