Kyokushin vs. Drunken Boxing vid

[friday]

I'm soooo bored...

[sanjuro_ronin]

sorry guys, i dont have any agenda. but this is comedy gold right here. im almost willing to quote that.

sj do you live under a bridge?

LOL, the one good thing about having him on ignore is that I don't have to read his constant BS.
You guys that know me know my resume, its almost as long as my Johnson ,
Those that don't can ask and all is answered.
As for groin ache, the 2 points in my sig make everything he says the BS that it is.
Period.

[Hardwork108]

hmmm...what about my recent fixed up post? I demand a response now!!!

Whoops, I forgot about that and I will respond to your post very soon.

Sorry.

[Hardwork108]

Lucas - whats wrong? whats with the big eyes??? you looking at me???????
you wanna roll???? mma style???

Becareful about what you say. Lucas may indeed want to "roll" but rather in an amorous style. If you didn´t know then I will tell you, these MMA guys "bond" very easily.

[Hardwork108]

LOL, the one good thing about having him on ignore is that I don't have to read his constant BS.

"BS" such as the fact that you need to have years of serious and dedicated training in an AUTHENTIC kung fu school before you make your "expert" comments on the subject?

And "BS" such as the fact that training in many different MAs makes you Sanjuro a jack of all trades and a master of none (eventhough I suspect that your kyokushin karate skills may be of a very good level.)!

Or "BS" such as your untruthful statements regarding my person? Perhaps even "BS" such as you hiding behind the "ignore" button when I called your lie?

You guys that know me know my resume,

Your "resume " means nothing in a KUNG FU forum! The world is full of MA instructors with long kung fu resumes who are ripping the pants off the unsuspecting MA enthusiasts.

And I am sorry but breaking slabs of wood on YouTube , does not cut it either as far as your "kung fu reputation" is concerned, eventhough it would explain why you want people to know your real identity as so that they will refer to you by name when they say, "bravo, bravo for breaking that piece of wood".

Those that don't can ask and all is answered.

No thanks as I have seen enough of your kung fu "resume"...lol.

As for groin ache,

You should have that problem of yours looked at. Didn´t they teach you robots anything about safe sex in the military?

the 2 points in my sig make everything he says the BS that it is.

The 2 points in your sig are worthless just like your kung fu "resume"!

Period.

EXACTLY!

[Lucas]

Lucas - whats wrong? whats with the big eyes??? you looking at me???????
you wanna roll???? mma style???

lol not lookin atcha, unless your a classy chick

it was my response, or rather the lack of words to describe my response to who mis understood forum postings can be. such as when hardwork thinks im kansuke's buddy because in a different thread i made a comment on how hardwork took kansuke's bait (implying he was baiting, you know like a troll ).

but sheesh, im a MMA guy and i didnt even know it. funny because i dont recall ever having been trained at any MMA gyms.

and as to the amorous rolling.....if your a classy chick....

personally, i never take any of this internet stuff seriously. its really mostly intertainment while im bored at work.

oh i glean the occasional bit of knowledge or information from guys here from time to time, which is nice.

ive never been worried about 'trolls' or 'flame wars' i usually just ignore it or insert a wanna be witty quip from time to time, or just laugh my arse off at the rediculousness of any rediculousness i see.

this is becoming quite the response, ill end now.

THE END

[friday]

Lucas - thats ok. I'm not a chick. no amorous rolling with you please.

any classy chicks on this forum that would like to roll? I don't think good looking classy chicks ever attend those showdowns people organise. Too many of those and I suspect they probably don't look that nice anymore...

HW - thats ok. You can respond when you get a chance.

[Lucas]

what?!? no classy dames on the forum? SAY IT AINT SO!!!

[Hardwork108]

Can you explain what limitations you see?

Let us take Wing Chun. I know for a fact that WC has more power than it is given credit for but when it is compared to certain lineages of Southern Praying Mantis, then it falls short as it lacks the type of body unity that some SPM schools develop.

I am not saying that WC does not have body oness/unity principles but only that they are different from some other styles of kung fu and as a result not as powerful.

Staying with Wing Chun, the fact that in this style one turns the stance to absorb force can be a disadvantage if applied against an opponent who is a good "listener" and/ or "sticker". Other styles of kung fu such as SPM, Five Ancester Fist, etc. will face the opponent squarely and will disipate his force by using hands/arms and even upper body shifting. This is faster and IMHO more "in your face"!

When I ask my sifu how to apply each technique in a form he explains the purpose and demonstrates how it works on me. So every time I practise the form or the techniques in a form I will know what the intent and useage is on each technique. Do you think its better to have a student practise a technique or form over and over without knowing how to apply it until say 6mths later when its either explained or he guesses it correctly or would it be better for him/her to practise the technique knowing how to use it from the start?

The student can have the meaning of the techniques explained to him as soon as he is performing them correctly while performing the form. This means that there is no point in teaching him applications if his stances are not correct and he is not delivering the strikes correctly.

He should not be visualizing any applications while he is performing his form incorrectly. Initially his MAIN focus should be in the correct performance of the movements.

what are your thoughts on this scenario. a sifu in a kung fu style teaches his students about 90% of what he knows, the application etc and about 10% is left as guesswork. Those students train for say 10-15 years in an individual style and then begin to teach others and the same process occurs in the transmission. What do you think will happen 9-10 generations later?

Probably what has happened to Sanjuro_ronin.

Seriously speaking. I am against holding back if the student is worthy,dedicated and of GOOD CHARACTER. However not all students can be classified as worthy that means that in traditional schools there would be chosen disciples who would be taught everything while the rest would be taught the "standard" stuff.

The problem arises when the people who have not learned everything become "sifus" and then transfer their "knowledge" to the unknowing students. This scenario occurs because the said students decide to teach without their sifus´ permission or because the sifu gives them the permission to teach for financial reasons or just because he does not care less, knowing very well that the secrets of his given style are safe with him and his chosen disciples.

Is this right or wrong? The answer is "Yes".

my point on this is as before. I think a student is more likely to perform the form better if they understand the technique/application behind it.

I agree but again the sifu should make sure he is performing the techniques correctly to a good standard before he explains the applications.

I dont think his experience in that case serves as an exampe of anything but the basic idea that if you want to perform your forms better you practise more. without any understanding of the application you are nothing but a dancer. moving through a set of predetermined moves.

Well his experience serves to remind us all, specially the beginners that when we think we are ready for more or deeper instruction, we may well be mistaken.

I agree that without learning the applications of one´s forms one is doing nothing but dancing, however I truly believe that the student must be able to perform his form to a good level eg. with strong stances and solid and flowing techniques before he is taught the applications.

then do you agree that without its ability to fight/defend yourself well it is missing an essential component?

Of course I do!

Having in mind the effort required to cross train and the training undertaken in popular MMA arts such as MT, KB, BJJ, judo, etc I suggest it would be alot easier to devote the effort in the core style if the answers were so readily found there...

The answers may be found in the core style (assuming that some of the MMA-ists really practise kung fu as their core style) but they are not to be found "so readily". I would suggest that many people opt for MMA because the results can be achieved relatively quicker. Also nowadays people seem to have shorter attentions spans, not just regarding MA training but also cooking/eating, TV, music and etc.

Furthermore it is much easier to find a good MMA school than a good and authentic kung fu school. Plus the popular (among some) belief that kung fu does not work or is "lacking", doesn´t not help the case either.

where did this ground fighting come from?

I assume from where the rest of WC came from and that is Shaolin Kung fu.

was this in existence 100 years ago or a newly developed set of techniques or strategy to deal with the onset of BJJ, wrestling etc in more recent years?

It is from before the popularity of BJJ.

how does it measure up against BJJ specialists or MMA guys?

I couldn´t tell you personally because I haven´t trained that aspect of Siu Lam Wing Chun. However, sifu did participate in a friendly sparring session with a BJJ black belt in Rio (where his school is) without any conclusive results probably because they weren´t trying to kill each other.

a good test would be to visit a local MMA school and try them out.

Probably. A better test would be a street fight, a real one.

did you fight them?

There was no point in fighting them, believe me! Besides, I ended up training with them for a year and I wish that I could have stayed there for the rest of my life. Now that was REAL kung fu!

I'm not really into the reliability of one technique/one punch finishers.

With the right (kung fu) power the reliability increases.

but then again high risk high return - maybe it works.

With what I can only describe as unreal power, combined with a system that controls and visciously hits the enemy with the sole intention of visciously causing them concussion/maximum damage and/or breaking limbs, the risks don´t seem that high.

I know of good kung fu schools with students who (with no fight records) who would be able to defend themselves or fight quite well on the street.

You tell that to the many knuckleheads who post here as "kung fu" experts.

There is alot more to this then you know...but i think this is something you will either learn or never learn one day...and its not for me to explain.

I am not sure what you mean by that last remark. Suffice to say that there are a lot of secrets in kung fu which we ALL need to learn. You may have been exposed to some and I may have been exposed to others, but there are more, a lot more answers out there but one thing is for sure and that is that these secrets are not hiding in the local MMA gym.

you will find alot of sports competitions is as close as you will get.

I will stick to realistic sparring, thank you. This is not to say that sports competitions are not sometimes benefitial, just that they are not the beginning and the end in MA training.

One major benefit is being able to find people from other martial arts. you may realise the disadvantage of the habits you develop when only ever sparring with people that practise the same style as you do.

I see your point and it has been made here before but again I believe that if you practice your kung fu style in an authentic manner then you will learn what is needed to learn. After which you may wish or not wish to test what you have learnt against every MA known to man.

you do not need to wait till you have expert knowledge in your own style to test what you know.

You are probably right as one can fight using one´s style before one becomes an expert but having said that we all have our own preferences and ideas about how and when to test our knowledge.

[Hardwork108]

what?!? no classy dames on the forum? SAY IT AINT SO!!!

Some say that taai gihk yahn may be the exception, but I am not sure about the "classy" bit.

[taai gihk yahn]

Some say that taai gihk yahn may be the exception, but I am not sure about the "classy" bit.

so, the point of directing an insult in my direction is...?

[Hardwork108]

so, the point of directing an insult in my direction is...?

Sheesh! you can make jokes about my "mal functioning" urinary track and I can´t make an innocent joke about you?

[taai gihk yahn]

Sheesh! you can make jokes about my "mal functioning" urinary track and I can´t make an innocent joke about you?

if it were innocent it would be fine, but to quote Wesley, "We are men of action; lies do not become us."

of course, we all know that you are a liar but that's as may be...

[Mr Punch]

You guys that know me know my resume, its almost as long as my Johnson

And I always thought you had some experience!

[Hardwork108]

if it were innocent it would be fine, but to quote Wesley, "We are men of action; lies do not become us."

I honestly say that it was a joke and not an insult, well maybe to all the dames out there, but not to you as I was just pulling your leg. You should relax a little.

of course, we all know

"We" again? I think that you keep very bad company and I don´t mean just your ego, Id and Anima but also Sanjuro_ronin and Ikfmdc (I still can´t believe that even you would list them as forum friends) and Kansuke, for gods sake!

that you are a liar but that's as may be...

That remark coming from the likes of you is actually funny and ironic in the light of the fact of I having exposed your lies (among other notable knuckleheads here) in the past including the ones in that stupid prank!