Why Jiu-Jitsu is more important than Kung Fu

[Knifefighter]

yadda yadda, we've all heard that argument before, but not everyone agrees, two noticable exceptions being of course Eddie and Carmine

I'd agree if you say you can't claim rank in the "total" of BJJ, but you are claiming rank in that school/teacher's BJJ. Ie you are earning a rank in either Eddie's method or Carmine's

A big portion of BJJ is the manipulation of clothing. If you have not learned that, you cannot know that and cannot be ranked in BJJ. You can be ranked in that specific instructor's version of no-gi BJJ, but, since you will not have knowledge of clothing manipulation in terms of submissions and control, you cannot claim rank in BJJ.

[Lucas]

Sure is. He is in the NJ area and I live in Austin, TX.

oh dang, thats a grip of distance

[Ray Pina]

A big portion of BJJ is the manipulation of clothing. If you have not learned that, you cannot know that and cannot be ranked in BJJ. You can be ranked in that specific instructor's version of no-gi BJJ, but, since you will not have knowledge of clothing manipulation in terms of submissions and control, you cannot claim rank in BJJ.

Been spending a lot of time learning the grip war lately. Setting up grips, baiting, etc.

[lkfmdc]

A big portion of BJJ is the manipulation of clothing. If you have not learned that, you cannot know that and cannot be ranked in BJJ. You can be ranked in that specific instructor's version of no-gi BJJ, but, since you will not have knowledge of clothing manipulation in terms of submissions and control, you cannot claim rank in BJJ.

according to Helio Gracie, a big part of GJJ/BJJ is the self defense and the vale tudo. Yet we both know tons of guys put on the kimono everyday, do nothing but sport BJJ and get ranked.... but those guys are "real" because they can grab the PJ's and pull on them

I just don't buy it.... understand it, but don't buy it....

[Knifefighter]

according to Helio Gracie, a big part of GJJ/BJJ is the self defense and the vale tudo. Yet we both know tons of guys put on the kimono everyday, do nothing but sport BJJ and get ranked.... but those guys are "real" because they can grab the PJ's and pull on them
I just don't buy it.... understand it, but don't buy it....

Helio does not set the standards for ranking in BJJ. If he did, only people who studied under his side of the family would be ranked.

We all have things we disagree with in BJJ. Personally, I believe the formal "self-defense" curriculum is total garbage.

The fact is, if BJJ ranking is important to someone, he has to train the gi.

[Wild Monk]

WOW this guy 1bad65 doesnt even believe I don't own a computer what a waste of a brain.


Let me put this in Laymens terms:

If it wasn't for Kung Fu there would be no BJJ or even JJ for that matter ok

You don't like it but it is true.

in other words BJJ is a great great grandchild of TCMA .


VIVA TCMA

[Knifefighter]

WOW this guy 1bad65 doesnt even believe I don't own a computer what a waste of a brain.


Let me put this in Laymens terms:

If it wasn't for Kung Fu there would be no BJJ or even JJ for that matter ok

You don't like it but it is true.

in other words BJJ is a great great grandchild of TCMA .

Yeah, kind of the same way the M-16 is the great, great, grandchild of the flintlock gun.

[Wild Monk]

HOW ABOUT I PUT IT THIS WAY


UFC 93 BJ Penn and GSP are training for a 5 min 5 Round war. right that is 25 minutes.



Who here has been in a 25 minute street fight ??????????????

[Knifefighter]

HOW ABOUT I PUT IT THIS WAY
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Please answer the previous technical questions.

[Wild Monk]

25 minute street fight ????????????????????????????????????


anyone ever had one????????????

other than KF the WORLD RENOWNED AUTHORITY ON MARTIAL ARTS.

[lkfmdc]

Personally, I believe the formal "self-defense" curriculum is total garbage.

On this, we agree...

As for the rest, I don't presume to tell others what their ranks mean or tell them how or what they should practice... so return the favor

[MasterKiller]

A big portion of BJJ is the manipulation of clothing. If you have not learned that, you cannot know that and cannot be ranked in BJJ. You can be ranked in that specific instructor's version of no-gi BJJ, but, since you will not have knowledge of clothing manipulation in terms of submissions and control, you cannot claim rank in BJJ.

Which also means you can't technically claim you train BJJ if you don't do gi work.

[Knifefighter]

25 minute street fight ????????????????????????????????????


anyone ever had one????????????

other than KF the WORLD RENOWNED AUTHORITY ON MARTIAL ARTS.

I think you've proven that you are pretty much clueless about anything related to fighting.

[Kansuke]

Let me put this in Laymens terms:

If it wasn't for Kung Fu there would be no BJJ or even JJ for that matter ok

You don't like it but it is true.

That is a load of bunk.

[Wild Monk]

I think you've proven that you are pretty much clueless about anything related to fighting.

Of course I have proven that you my friend as many others here have never been in a street fight and I dont mean getting your teeth bashed in by your uncle willy