Northern Mantis Groundfighting.

[Hardwork108]

Hello,

I have come across references to Northern Mantis groundfighting techniques. The Wing Chun lineage that I practice has its own genuine ground fighting techniques and my sifu had told me that other major kung fu styles also have their own.

The first time that I heard about Northern Mantis ground fighting was in a magazine letters´ section where a 7 Star Mantis practitioner from Singapore mentioned that in his kung fu school the ground fighting aspects were trained as part of their curriculum.

Recently, the forum member EarthDragon who practices 8 Step Praying Mantis mentioned Mantis groundfighting. This made me very curious as I would like to learn more about how this style(s) of kung fu approach this area of combat.

So I would be grateful to see more info about this from EarthDragon and others who practice Northern Mantis.

Thanks in advance.

Hardwork108

P.S. Sorry if this subject has come up before.

[Kansuke]

The Wing Chun lineage that I practice has its own genuine ground fighting techniques .

And how are you doing with those?

[Oso]

.01 on the troll meter


Roy, are you sure you aren't ready to retire????

[yu shan]

My first thought after seeing this topic... this is going to have Threeharmonies flying out of his mawashi! Fire at will Jake, fire at will!

[EarthDragon]

I believe that most systems have techniques when fighting from a fallen position. Most fights usually end up on the ground, so it would be foolish to not have knowledge of what to do when this happens. While some systems spend almost all of thier time in these positions to say that kung fu does not is way off base.
when the UFC came about and starting becoming popluar my kung fu brother who was a born fighter asked our teacher to train him so he could enter. He said if you want to enter that type of competition you must train mantis on the ground.... we looked at each other and said but kung fu doesnt have ground techniques.. he said all complete systems have this otherwise they are not complete.
We would train to engage in sparring then to a jointlock then to a throw, then follow our opponent to the ground and proceed to use another lock untill one of us tapped. thios went on for months. sometimes we would start on the ground and work from the top or the bottom. while some of the techniques taught were definatly not kung fu looking my teacher said that to win that type of fighting you must fight and train the waty they do.
He went on to win his bouts in UFC 6 &7 seven being the bloodiest UFC match in history

[Three Harmonies]

ROTFLMAO - Great one Jim
Well, my mawashi is in the mawashi-machine, and frankly I have given up! People can believe what they wish! My words, nor my experience matter much to those set in their ways. To each their own!

Cheers
Jake

(flying out of my Mawashi..... that's funny **** right there!!)

[yu shan]

Hey Jake, glad you have a sense of humor today! Sumo, what a way of life. Eat, drink, train, girls...

[Three Harmonies]

I have a sense of humor everyday bro! Some of y'all just don't care for it

Don't forget the mandatory Sumo nap!

[Hardwork108]

I believe that most systems have techniques when fighting from a fallen position. Most fights usually end up on the ground, so it would be foolish to not have knowledge of what to do when this happens. While some systems spend almost all of thier time in these positions to say that kung fu does not is way off base.
when the UFC came about and starting becoming popluar my kung fu brother who was a born fighter asked our teacher to train him so he could enter. He said if you want to enter that type of competition you must train mantis on the ground.... we looked at each other and said but kung fu doesnt have ground techniques.. he said all complete systems have this otherwise they are not complete.
We would train to engage in sparring then to a jointlock then to a throw, then follow our opponent to the ground and proceed to use another lock untill one of us tapped. thios went on for months. sometimes we would start on the ground and work from the top or the bottom. while some of the techniques taught were definatly not kung fu looking my teacher said that to win that type of fighting you must fight and train the waty they do.
He went on to win his bouts in UFC 6 &7 seven being the bloodiest UFC match in history

Thank you EarthDragon. I have not reached the groundfighting aspects of Siu Lam Wing Chun yet but I know that even on the ground the Wing Chun principles are adhered to using strikes and chin-na techniques.

It is so good to hear of Kung fu schools that teach complete systems completely!

If more schools did this then perhaps there would not be so much misunderstanding about the art(s) of kung fu that we see nowadays.

[Oso]

i had always heard that Sutton trained in other stuff prior to his UFC fight(s) not denying his kung fu roots but...


Jake: we agree on this one, i think

[Kansuke]

I have not reached the groundfighting aspects of Siu Lam Wing Chun .

But that hasn't stopped you from telling people with many, many, many times more experience grappling than you have experience with ANYTHING, what they do or do not know.

[Three Harmonies]

Jesus!!! Now the Wing Chunners are coming over to the Mantis group spreading their drama! Plenty of drama with the Mantis folks, leave us be please!!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Jesus!!! Now the Wing Chunners are coming over to the Mantis group spreading their drama! Plenty of drama with the Mantis folks, leave us be please!!

LOL !
Well said !

[EarthDragon]

Oso,
If you are going to go into a cage type fight i would say that you wouod be foolish not to cross train. He did work a little with Kin tora judo guys and with some boxing coaches. But I can assure you shyun taught us ground fighting, I know becuase I was Joels partner in SF when he was training. Now weather or not the ground fighting that he taught was tradional 8 step we will never know, but it did incorporate our joint coks and throws and flowed seemlessly like all mantis does from the attack to the finish.

I remember a newspaper in S.F doing a story about him entering into the newly created UFC and the story was about tradional kung fu in this event
The photographer caught a picture of him pushing a water filled 55 drum up a hill.
Now many people will say this technique doesnt come from 8 step.. but as a
"8 step practioner or sifu" doing this would it be considered cross training or mantis?

[Three Harmonies]

Incorrect about one little aspect.....
It was NOT from Babu Tanglang! There is no record of ANY CMA have a comprehensive curriculum for ground combat, and Babu is certainly not the exception.

Jake