OT: does obama bring change?

[CaptinPickAxe]

As long as he legalizes Marijuana for recreational use, I have no problem with the man.

Hey, you can't blame a guy for having a little "Hope" for some "Change [a stoner] can believe in."

[1bad65]

"Once you are a known conservative, it's par for the course to be labelled a racist. "

That is a pretty broad brush you paint with.

I would have to call BS on that statement..... Personally, I label a person a racist when they say something racist or take a position that has, at its base, a racist foundation.

If you fall under one of those categories...so be it....but it has nothing to do with conservative.... And I have labeled in my mind plenty of people who are minority as racist as well....

Well, you've seen two people on here call me one.

Straight up; I post alot and am quite frank. Do you think I'm a racist?

[1bad65]

As long as he legalizes Marijuana for recreational use, I have no problem with the man.

Hey, you can't blame a guy for having a little "Hope" for some "Change [a stoner] can believe in."

Libertarians are the largest Party pushing for that.

[CaptinPickAxe]

Quit harshing my buzz, Brose Canseco....

[GLW]

We were talking about DIXIECRATS. YOU, Bad are putting in distinctions.

DixieCrats were for a large part splitting from their party over Civil Rights...but again, you paint with a broad brush. They were hardly a cohesive single issue block. Only Right Wing Evangelicals in the Republican Party of recent years come close to falling into that category. (even more so thanks to Tom Delay quelling ANY dissension or free thought in their ranks).

As for Graham being or not being racist...well, coming from a perspective where I am in a mixed Asian / western household, I can tell you how Graham's use of his wife, Wendy (Korean descent) came across - it was not good. He trotted her out to the Asian community to get votes and then kept her well hidden when dealing with his rich white contributors in Texas. (of course, you are too young to have seen that up close and personal as I did).

DixieCrats changed parties over racism...or over the war...or because they had religion in mind - they were also not too bothered by overstepping the separation of church and state...

You really should read up on who they were and who they became...at least before you draw ridiculous conclusions.

It would be just like me claiming that all Republicans are just like Rush and Hannity (and I can tell you I truly hope that that is NOT the case).

[GLW]

"Straight up; I post alot and am quite frank. Do you think I'm a racist?"

I do not have enough to go on to make a call like that nor would I. If I ever call someone a racist, it is after a series of incidents that pretty much prove it. You HAVE made some statements that could be construed as having racist tones...but saying "THOSE people" hardly makes one a racist...just a bit loose with language.

I think that you are a person born into a fairly ****geneous environment in an upper middle-class environment. You come across as having questioned little of what you were taught and as having a selective memory. But we all do at some time or another.

Having lived through the Kennedy years, Vietnam, Nixon, Reagan, Carter, and so on...and having been a social worker, business owner, engineer/software designer, manager of people, I have a different perspective.

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[1bad65]

We were talking about DIXIECRATS. YOU, Bad are putting in distinctions.

I disagree.

I brought up how certain Democrats were racists, or Exalted Cyclops, voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1965, etc. And if I'm not mistaken, it was you who first made a distinction between Democrats and DixieCrats. I do know for certain it wasn't me.

[1bad65]

I think that you are a person born into a fairly ****geneous environment in an upper middle-class environment. You come across as having questioned little of what you were taught and as having a selective memory. But we all do at some time or another.

Not totally true. I'd say we were middle class, maybe lower middle class. My dad was a career fireman, who had previously served in Vietnam. He was a disabled veteran. He often worked two jobs so mom could stay home with the kids, as they did not want us in day care. Went to public school mostly, as private school was too expensive. None of our neighbors were white collar, it was a blue-collar neighborhood. One family two doors down had 3 kids about my age, 2 ended up in prison. One of our neighbors was an ex-con. We never wanted for food or clothes, but we didn't have much in terms of 'disposable income'.

And yes, I do question things, and have changed my opinion on issues at times. For years I was pro-death penalty. I am now very much against it.

Having lived through the Kennedy years, Vietnam, Nixon, Reagan, Carter, and so on...and having been a social worker, business owner, engineer/software designer, manager of people, I have a different perspective.

I agree you're older, and thus have seen more than I. I'm 37, so I'm not so much a young kid.

[1bad65]

You HAVE made some statements that could be construed as having racist tones...but saying "THOSE people" hardly makes one a racist...just a bit loose with language.

I doubt it was in terms of race. I use that term, but I use it for other things. Democrats, Socialists, Europeans, people from other States, my neighbors, etc.

But I'm not in the habit of using it to distinguish people based on race.

[GLW]

Your example was Byrd...who is similar to folks like Strom Thurmond...not only in age but in length of being in the Senate. In fact, Byrd has served longer than any person in US history (51 years) He was elected when I was ONE....and I DO recall the separate drinking fountains, bathrooms, and the back of the buss issues.

Thurmond was a racist and originally a Democrat...he just left earlier than most - over desegregation.

Neither of these two paragons are what I would wish any would aspire to.

But, if you want to pull the 1965 issue....well, by today's standards, Barry Goldwater would at best be considered moderate...and by some he would be labeled liberal. Reagan started as a Democrat and then switched..he always could follow the money.... But he was also a great one for taking a volatile situation and adding fuel to it (Reagan, as the Ca. Governor was responsible for escalating a lot of anti-war demonstrations due to his heavy handedness.)

So, 1965 - Do you REALLY want to point to where southern states fell in that one? Those attitudes have been used to suggest that if you are from the south or Texas (they ARE different), your family tree may not fork.

[Mas Judt]

Barry Goldwater was a libertarian - a true 'liberal' - NOT the modern definition or a 'progressive' (Progressive = soft fascist).

Not enough of them in the Republican party.

There should be term limits in the Senate, just like in every other branch.

We really do need a clean sweep. The political machines are too powerful - I personally think our system is okay - just grown fat and lazy. Government needs some reorganization and downsizing.

[1bad65]

Barry Goldwater was a libertarian - a true 'liberal' - NOT the modern definition or a 'progressive' (Progressive = soft fascist).

Exactly. At that time liberals were what we term libertarians now.

It's funny to see people who are old-school liberals wanting to be left alone to live as they choose vote for big-Government Democrats who want to intrude more and more into people's everyday lives. It's complete ignorance on their part.

Our local head shops (Planet K) always puts signs up at election time. Every election they are for Democrats. This time there were huge Ron Paul banners. Yet those same people can't see that Ron Paul and the Democrats are polar opposites. It's sad people can be so ignorant.

Government needs some reorganization and downsizing.

Amen to that.

[Baqualin]

I'm hoping you have no idea what I'm talking about. If you do then your statements are disgusting.

I support my brothers in Canada such as Kevin Annett who has paid the price to get justice.

Once again it was your last sentence I was referring to.

I would hope that here in the US we would see this for what it was and bring murderers to justice.

Now thats disgusting, especially coming from someone who is a wannabe Indian. It's Canada's problem to deal with not us( we)......why would it be up to the US to bring them to justice....why would WE even want to get involved in something that is none of our business (we do to much of that already). WE have enough problems with the way Indians have been treated in this country and I have a great love for Indians, my girlfriend of 4 years is 1/2 Cherokee....my ex brother n law of 19 years was married to a full Kiowa so his three kids are half....he was brought into the tribe and when he passed on the medicine man came here and held a Indian ceremonial funeral. He never claimed to be an Indian....just a brother and a honorary member of the tribe.
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[1bad65]

Now thats disgusting, especially coming from someone who is a wannabe Indian.

Wait a minute!? Is this ANOTHER poseur he worships?