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    Quote Originally Posted by uki View Post
    i never really left... i just lurk sometimes.
    how's your neck of the woods? are you covered in snow out there? your outdoor training space must look very cool that way!

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    uki said
    most everyone believes obama is here to change america, end global warming, and bring peace and prosperity to the whole world!!! lets see for ourselves and make our own minds up... some examples of the change we can believe in.
    I know of no one who can do this, not even Jesus!
    That being said and if we see the wisdom of the Daodejing, Obama can only change himself, which he did, There are people who see hope (for a better America) and so they are swayed to try to initiate that same change.

    The rest do not believe in Obama's vision (aka THE CRAP) and they prefer to go against it Obama's vision) meaning they want thinks to remain the same as in George Bush's version of America. The rest see nothing to change despite the stagflation, unemployment, and ancillary service suffering depression

    One cane never change people! They must see the will and need to change and initiate it themselves. Global warming, is at best humorous, because regardles of what we think about it and look at the data, something is CHANGING. Snow in New Orleans, Louisiana and parts of the South, snowfall in S. Africa, snow in London, polar cpas melting! If that is not change (keep in mind Obama has nothing to do with this) then nothing is!!!!!!!!!!

    Obama or anyone for that matter cannot change LAZY, FOOLISH or IGNORANT PEOPLE and THOS INCAPABLE OF LEARNING.

    God Bless America (we need it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post
    how's your neck of the woods? are you covered in snow out there? your outdoor training space must look very cool that way!
    we've had nothing but a layer of snow-ice for quite some time now... i shoveled off the patio after the first storm and a day later the next one came through... oh well... it will melt. my training currently consists of cutting up and hand splitting the logging truck of wood i just got to keep the house warm. chopping 8-10 cords of wood by hand beats mosts workout regimens in my book... makes one heck of pi quan strike... HIYA!!

    i still look down my driveway for you... would you accept an invitation to my house?

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    Mandatory community service and the stop-loss issue are apples and oranges.

    One is the government using forced, slave labor. The other is the government exercising a clause in a contract the person signed themselves when voluntarily joining the military.

    And don't blame Bush. As the Commander-in-Chief, Obama could sign an executive order ending the practice with the stroke of a pen.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    It seems like Obama is starting to get his legs under him a little. You knew though that the GOP was going to try to push him around just to see how far they can push.

    Also, the Neos have had their way for so long that they are going to fight anything. It will be interesting to see how long this last. I say if they continue to vote as a solid block against every thing the president proposes then there is no need to include them in any decision making processes. The Dems have the votes.

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    obama needs to punch congress in the face and knee the senate in the balls. after that, he should just become a dictator and squish all opposition, install martial law and destroy any opposition.

    now that would be change!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    obama needs to punch congress in the face and knee the senate in the balls. after that, he should just become a dictator and squish all opposition, install martial law and destroy any opposition.

    now that would be change!

    I can agree with the first sentence totally......the rest is a bit much.
    BQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqualin View Post
    I can agree with the first sentence totally......the rest is a bit much.
    BQ
    well, a good negotiator always asks for more than what he wants.

    so a punch in the face for congress and a knee in the cajones to the senate it is then! hooray! That's change worth watching!
    Kung Fu is good for you.

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    Wall Street sure doesn't think much of the 'stimulus' bill. The Dow plummeted on news it passed the Senate.

    For a guy who promised to 'take a scalpel' to government spending and attacked Bush for the national debt to push for a 'stimulus' bill that gives millions to ACORN, and creates a government health care czar to oversee PRIVATE heathcare among other things, it's ridiculous.

    I'm already seeing people saying "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain". Gee, who predicted that?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Is this 'economic stiulus'?

    "The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

    But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

    Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

    Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

    The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis."

    http://www.narbosa.com/2009/02/unive...-stimulus.html

    Does this sound like someone who loves individual freedom and liberty would want? This is what SOCIALIST countries do, not free countries. Does the government have the right to put a price/worth on YOUR life?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Wall Street sure doesn't think much of the 'stimulus' bill. The Dow plummeted on news it passed the Senate.

    For a guy who promised to 'take a scalpel' to government spending and attacked Bush for the national debt to push for a 'stimulus' bill that gives millions to ACORN, and creates a government health care czar to oversee PRIVATE heathcare among other things, it's ridiculous.

    I'm already seeing people saying "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain". Gee, who predicted that?

    Do you really expect Wall Street to be happy with the Obama Admin? For far too long now they've had the run of the house. The expectation is that Obama is going to put an end to that and regulate the market so it will be fair and reflect the true values of the commodies bought and sold.

    By the way the only place you are going to see those "Don't blame me....." comments are on your neo blogs.

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    it's all about "the change"

    An old student emailed me this (non)bumper sticker:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaolinlueb View Post
    obama won't get much done with the way the economy is going. i am betting he will be 1 term president.
    I agree. Every president says they're gonna fix the economy, they unveil a big plan explaining how they're going to do, and it never gets fixed. It's like there's something so illusive that has ruined it, no one can put there finger on it and turn things around. I recently saw the Money Masters documentary and was pretty impressed with how they broke things down. Assuming the makers of the documentary are right, I doubt any president can turn the economy around. The stimulus package is like putting a bandaid on a guy who needs some kind of internal surgery...
    I was on the metro earlier, deep in meditation, when a ruffian came over and started causing trouble. He started pushing me with his bag, steadily increasing the force until it became very annoying. When I turned to him, before I could ask him to stop, he immediately started hurling abuse like a scoundrel. I performed a basic chin na - carotid artery strike combination and sent him to sleep. The rest of my journey was very peaceful, and passersby hailed me as a hero - Warrior Man

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    There is no such thing as "fix" the economy. Certain indicators make it stronger or weaker at any given time.

    We can do things to improve the economy but it's not like throwing a switch. With the mess that Bush left it's going to take a long time before businesses are no longer closing and people are working again at full employment.

    One term president? If Bush could be elected for a 2nd term with the job he was doing the only thing that will keep anyone else out is scandal....Also, the best they have right now is Sarah Palin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakxierboxer View Post
    An old student emailed me this (non)bumper sticker:
    I like it.

    It is interesting how a lot of people rant about Bush and the neocons being fascist.

    Well?


    Change my AS_!!!

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