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    Quote Originally Posted by Luk Hop View Post
    It is interesting how a lot of people rant about Bush and the neocons being fascist.

    Well?
    Well what? What people are you talking about? What commments are they making? What is your argument against these comments?

    If anything I notice you Neos have this bumper sticker mentality. Anything more than a dozen (or less) words on the back of a pick-up truck is way too intellectual for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luk Hop View Post
    It is interesting how a lot of people rant about Bush and the neocons being fascist.
    Abortions, massive taxes, anti-guns, big government, socialized medicine, telling old people they get less healthcare because young people deserve it more, etc .

    That sounds alot like Germany in the 1930s-1945.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Abortions, massive taxes, anti-guns, big government, socialized medicine, telling old people they get less healthcare because young people deserve it more, etc .

    That sounds alot like Germany in the 1930s-1945.
    now wouldn't that be a niffty little co-incidence...

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10172007...ma__cheney.htm

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004...secondworldwar

    http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/

    unfortunately there is no such thing as co-incidences. funny how history isn't always put out in the full light of the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderDawg View Post
    Well what? What people are you talking about? What commments are they making? What is your argument against these comments?

    If anything I notice you Neos have this bumper sticker mentality. Anything more than a dozen (or less) words on the back of a pick-up truck is way too intellectual for you.


    It is interesting that you automatically assume that I myself would be a neocon. I did not vote for Bush, Kerry, Gore, McCain or Obama. I am in no way defending the Bush administration, but take a moment and compare what is taking place now as opposed to what has taken place.

    As defined by Webster Dictionary -

    Fascist:
    1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

    2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.


    I think #1 is being accomplished. #2 is fast becoming reality.

    "We all need to work together." "Now is not the time to be selfish." "It's your patriotic duty." "Now is not the time for partisanship." "We are in the worst economic crisis since the Depression."

    "1bad65 Quote:
    Abortions, massive taxes, anti-guns, big government, socialized medicine, telling old people they get less healthcare because young people deserve it more, etc .
    That sounds alot like Germany in the 1930s-1945. "

    Yes.



    uki
    "now wouldn't that be a niffty little co-incidence..."
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10172007...ma__cheney.htm

    Suddenly it is all making sense. Thanks for the link. I must have missed that one.

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    We are all responsible for own actions, not our family members and ancestors.

    Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer (and many other serial killers) have had children. Are those children to be judged based on their father's deeds?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luk Hop View Post
    It is interesting that you automatically assume that I myself would be a neocon.
    Because everyone who does not believe everything his mentally ill mind believes is a "Neocon". Also, any source you find who disagrees with his reality is a "neo blog".

    It's much easier to just put him on ignore. It's alot like arguing mathematics with a guy who will ALWAYS belive 2+2=5. No matter how smart and rational you are, or how experienced and knowledgeable in the field you are, it is a useless endeavor.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luk Hop View Post
    Suddenly it is all making sense. Thanks for the link. I must have missed that one.
    if you're still interested... how about some more food for thought.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23797072/

    http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=5315

    http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/piso/main-gen.html

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/bushbloodline.shtml

    now that is some definite change we can believe in.

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    What's really amazing about the whole thing is the Neos are yelling and screaming about spending money............Does 12 billion a month in Iraq ring a bell? It's not only the money but the fact that it is turned over without any controls whatsoever? It doesn't cost 12 billion a month for what we do in Iraq.

    To be honest I don't have problems spending money for almost anything over here in the state (except giving it to religious organizations) but the average US citizen never ask "Does it really cost to do........?"

    A good example of this is the story of Jeff Monson spray painting the Washington State Capital. The state said it would cost 19K to remove the paint........I wish they would contract that job out to me. I would take their 19K, spend about $50 for some paint thinner, rags and brushes and have that job done in about two hours.

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    I feel sorry for intelligent Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterPalm View Post
    I feel sorry for intelligent Americans.

    Canada is always open for anyone that wants out!
    You got it backwards. America is where intelligent sick Canadians go.

    Although the Democrats want to FORCE us into the same sub-par healthcare system you guys have.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    I gotta say that the combination of:

    -card check

    -fairness doctine

    -census reporting directly to the white house

    -government expansion like FDR on crack




    are all looming developments that could be giant leaps in a troubling direction, all the other stuff aside.




    We'll see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    You got it backwards. America is where intelligent sick Canadians go.

    Although the Democrats want to FORCE us into the same sub-par healthcare system you guys have.
    you don't understand at all, why do you comment?

    we do not have a sub par health system. gebas, do your homework.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    you don't understand at all, why do you comment?

    we do not have a sub par health system. gebas, do your homework.
    Then why do sick Canadians come down here? It's especially common to come here to see specialists instead of waiting in line (which can often be fatal) in Canada. It's a fact of life, whether you choose to accept it or not.

    EVERY socialist medicine system is sub-par when compared to a free market sytem.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    "In 2006, the average amount of time spent waiting to receive treatment after referral by a general practitioner averaged 17.8 weeks across Canada. At 14.9 weeks, Ontario had the shortest waits. Prince Edward Island, Saskatchewan, and New Brunswick had average waits of 25.8 weeks, 28.5 weeks, and 31.9 weeks, respectively.

    Patients referred to a neurosurgeon waited an average of 21 weeks just to see a specialist. Getting treatment required an additional 10.7 weeks.

    Patients waited an average of 16.2 weeks to see an orthopedic surgeon, and another 24.2 weeks for treatment to be performed after the initial visit.

    The number of people routinely waiting for services is staggering, according to the report. In 2003, the most recent year for which data were available from Statistics Canada, approximately 1.1 million people had trouble accessing care on a timely basis.

    In Canada, waiting lists are considered a way of rationing medical care and holding down health care spending. Because health care in Canada is largely free at the point of service, demand is likely to exceed supply.

    In a typical market system, the price would adjust to the point where the quantity of services provided is equal to the amount patients are willing to buy. But in a system devoid of a market mechanism, scarce resources are rationed through means other than price.

    Gratzer agreed.“It’s like the old Soviet system,” Gratzer said. “Everything is free, but nothing is readily available. Except that we’re not talking about lining up for toilet paper in Russia in 1976, but queuing for surgery in Canada in 2006.”

    Waiting lists are consequences of the way the Canadian health care system
    is structured, not a lack of money, critics say.

    “Long waits and widespread denial of needed care are a permanent and necessary part of government-run systems,” Parnell noted."

    http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=U...icp=1&.intl=us
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    So who cares about Canada?

    I've always avocated a national health plan but no one never said you have to sign up for it. Let the rich continue to abuse the system by going to the doctor everytime they over eat and have a belly ache or carrying their kids if they hear a single cough. Many of these people visit doctors 40-50 times a year. Let them have that if the Docs are willing to put up with it.......and considering how much money they get from the insurance companies there are a long list of doctors who are. However lets give everyone in this country who wants it the diginty of having a health care plan and going to the doctor when they really need it.

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