Are bil jee elbows the most overused of all wing chun techniques?

[edseas2]

At a high enough level, its whatever YOU want...just as bil gee seems to violate many concepts - 2 hands on one, not facing etc. at a high enough level its up to the individual practitioner to make it THEIR OWN wing chun...at a VERY high level that is...

Ed

[taojkd]

up to the individual practitioner to make it THEIR OWN wing chun

So whats the problem with using a plethora of elbow strikes then? I'm trying to understand how it violates a maxim or 2 UNLESS your high enough level? That doesnt make any sense. It either violates a maxim, and is wrong so you should train a proper reaction OR it doesnt violate a maxim and the techniques should only get more efficient as you get to a higher level.

There are no secrets in wing chun, what works at the higher level is not a mystery. Its just hard work from what you were shown as a beginner.

[edseas2]

Its all in the explanation.

Ask your Sifu.

Ed

[Tom Kagan]

It means:

"Force comes, keep it; Force retreats, follow it"

If you throw an elbow technique, you violate this core maxim as you can't "stick" with it when you use an elbow technique (can't check it OR follow it).

Ed

If I told you I could check and also follow an elbow, would you believe me?

[taojkd]

If I told you I could check and also follow an elbow, would you believe me?

Yes. And i'd love it if you could post a nice vid (if possible). It would warm my heart.

[edseas2]

If I told you I could check and also follow an elbow, would you believe me?

Tom-

YOU can check and follow the elbow BUT the person who throws the elbow CAN'T.

Ed

[sanjuro_ronin]

Tom-

YOU can check and follow the elbow BUT the person who throws the elbow CAN'T.

Ed

You base this one what?

[edseas2]

Try sticking/following with your elbow after you throw it.

Ed

[sanjuro_ronin]

Try sticking/following with your elbow after you throw it.

Ed

Why would I stick to my own elbow?
As for following it, sure I do, as it turns into another elbow or perhaps into a back fist or hammer fist or even into *gasp* a trap or jam...

[taojkd]

If you dont stick to your own punch then i presume, following this logic, its not a wing chun punch?

[edseas2]

Why would I stick to my own elbow?
As for following it, sure I do, as it turns into another elbow or perhaps into a back fist or hammer fist or even into *gasp* a trap or jam...

Yours is a VERY different wc than our own. We are traditional YM wc/vt and, therefore, have NO backfist, NO hammer fist and try to control the opponent's bridge arms at all times.

There are stories about YM defeating WSL without throwing a single punch but just by controlling his bridge arms...

Ed

[sanjuro_ronin]

Yours is a VERY different wc than our own. We are traditional YM wc/vt and, therefore, have NO backfist, NO hammer fist and try to control the opponent's bridge arms at all times.

There are stories about YM defeating WSL without throwing a single punch but just by controlling his bridge arms...

Ed

Moy Yat is "my" WC, though it certainly isn't mine.

[chusauli]

LOL, I find this unusual coming from you as I often agree with you... 'don't get into trouble'? That's right, we can all just knock em out straight off.

Personally, I think this BJ as an emergency form is largely daft. I mean, sure it's for things that go wrong, it's just that since we want to finish a fight in three seconds, things have already gone wrong pretty by then.

You supposed to unleash the devastating chun on them for three seconds then stand there assessing how wrong things are?

YOU: "Let's see, is it time for Biu Jee yet? That'd show..."
THEM: Gadanga gadanga gadanga...

end of assessment.

LOL!

In a perfect world, you'd be doing the gadangas!

LOL! Is that Bas Rutten?

[edseas2]

Yours is a VERY different wc than our own. We are traditional YM wc/vt and, therefore, have NO backfist, NO hammer fist and try to control the opponent's bridge arms at all times.

There are stories about YM defeating WSL without throwing a single punch but just by controlling his bridge arms...

Ed

Are you saying that there is a backfist in Moy Yat vt?

Ed

[sanjuro_ronin]

Are you saying that there is a backfist in Moy Yat vt?

Ed

It is in mine
Why would I not use something that works?