Where can I find real kung fu practitioners on youtube?

[taai gihk yahn]

here is an example of "real" kung fu, in context of taiji push-hands rule set - the key is what it looks like when you have two people resisting each other; and granted they are limited in that there is no striking;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q__o_5gNX0w&NR=1

actually, there are some very nice examples in this clip of a number of different essential taiji "energies" - listening, sticking, following, dividing, "short" energy, etc.

[taai gihk yahn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhvImB3PmJ4

another example of "real" kung fu; the gal in black is an I Liq Chuan practitioner; ILC is a hakka-based system, they work a great deal on short-range bridging and are about the best I've seen with it; they do a lot of push hands events and do very well; Sifu Sam Chin is 100% TCMA in what he does and how he teaches (he and my sifu are good friends; a lot of how we do pushing is derived from Sifu Chin's influence);

anyway, it's a limited rules set, of course - but notice how when in the clinch, she has an overhook / underhook position? hmmm, looks a lot like other non-TCMA stuff, doesn't it? so, maybe it's less about what "real" kung fu looks like, as opposed to what "real" fighting looks like, in terms of principles and actual usage

[Hardwork108]

says the two year grandmaster

Even if that was true, then it would put me 2 years ahead of you as regards authentic kung fu training.

Those "no rules fights" had a rule against punching to the head

Hitman asked for sparring matches where real kung fu was used. He did not have any requirements regarding the rules.

Truly you are a MAJOR CLOWN because you just put up FAKE FIGHTS. This has been discussed to death. Those "matches" are choreographed fake fights....

You have lied so much recently that I hesitate to believe you on this one. However, even if you are right then it would possibly put these "fake" fights into a sparring category, at least.

By the way, please provide me with links where the clips were discussed as I am genuinely interested.

[lkfmdc]

'cides.... really kung fu fighters dont wear boxing gloves

you're right, here's one without boxing gloves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G39CVdWJJ6I

[lkfmdc]

even if you are right then it would possibly put these "fake" fights into a sparring category, at least.

CLOWN, now fake fights are evidence of skill

[taai gihk yahn]

However, even if you are right then it would possibly put these "fake" fights into a sparring category, at least.

are you kidding? I mean, you can't just tell that those things are fake / choreographed? do you really think that is what it looks like when two people compete and resist each other's moves? and why on earth would you put that into a sparring category, when the entire idea of sparring is that it's not prearranged?

[Hardwork108]

Dear all,
I have been looking for kung fu practitioners who could actually use their kung fu when sparring with other people on youtube. I have found a video clip where a capoeira guy fighting a kick boxer. The capoeira guy lost the fight, but I can see capoeira techniques being used in the fight.

However, I have found plenty of kung fu practitioners that fight like kick boxers & boxers, but not many that could actual use their kung fu in sparring matches.

Is it possible for for any one to show me where I can find video clips showing kung fu practitioners actually using their kung fu techniques in sparring matches?





Thank you very much

Here is another one :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ir0M...eature=related

[Hardwork108]

are you kidding? I mean, you can't just tell that those things are fake / choreographed? do you really think that is what it looks like when two people compete and resist each other's moves? and why on earth would you put that into a sparring category, when the entire idea of sparring is that it's not prearranged?

I thought they had their own strange rules. However, I am not discarding the possibility that they were completely fake and I would actually like to see the discussion regarding these clips.

My first clip was not a fake for sure, so I suppose it is a good place to start for Hitman.

[Hardwork108]

The following is real kung fu!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq7EdCuAdBs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Ngk0nTWNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8jbY6M0iRI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKd_NmuP-ww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Wims1nQww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Ngk0nTWNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OehmTahWUOc

enjoy

I see that you are still doing your best to promote kickboxing and your own kickboxing business here in the kung fu forum.


Well here is some REAL Sanda:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Acod...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzyDC...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVfXd...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icULv...eature=related

[lkfmdc]

are you kidding? I mean, you can't just tell that those things are fake / choreographed? do you really think that is what it looks like when two people compete and resist each other's moves? and why on earth would you put that into a sparring category, when the entire idea of sparring is that it's not prearranged?

recognizing real fights wasn't part of his two year grandmaster crash course

[lkfmdc]

I'll have to remind my guys who won world titles in San Da that they weren't doing the real stuff

WHERE ARE YOUR CLIPS "hardwork"?

[Hardwork108]

recognizing real fights wasn't part of his two year grandmaster crash course

The man asked for sparring clips. I am still waiting for the links where these clips were discussed as I am really interested in seeing the discussions and their basis for the conclusion that the whole thing was fake.

[lkfmdc]

the CLOWN can't even figure out the fights are fake?

SO WHERE ARE YOUR CLIPS "hardwork"?

Come on, show us that "real authentic kung fu!" that you do....

[Hardwork108]

I'll have to remind my guys who won world titles in San Da that they weren't doing the real stuff

You can "remind" them by sending a team of them to China!

WHERE ARE YOUR CLIPS "hardwork"?

Unlike you I am not here to promote myself nor do I own a kickboxing business to promote.

This is a kung fu forum and those of us who practice kung fu are here to discuss it and enhance our knowledge.

We are not going to enhance our knowledge by seeing your kickboxing video clips nor by reading your and your Glorified Kickboxer friends' posts on the so called superiority of the MMA approach.

Thank you for your time.

[lkfmdc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H5ktPJZlD0

One of Phil's last black sash spars. He also has a few of his forms posted on youtube

after a quick look at this, I noticed this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQF5cLQSU1Q

"Phil" (I assume that is his name?) doing a realy nice Tien Shan Pai set (actually one that a lot of Goh's students used to do, that I always liked)

Goh's clearly a real authentic kung fu teacher, teaching the real stuff... so go back and look at Phil's sparring... it aint Chi Sao!