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    although as far as someone who is pure cma, sanda is a better format to let yourself shine, as the ground is non existant.
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    That sir is very true. But then they would be glorified kickboxers

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    Quote Originally Posted by banditshaw View Post
    That sir is very true. But then they would be glorified kickboxers
    lol

    gotta find glory where you can !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    although as far as someone who is pure cma, sanda is a better format to let yourself shine, as the ground is non existant.
    Indeed. I'm in the boat of "perfecting" one game rather than being adequate in several (a la MMA).

    I mean I love watching MMA but would never compete in the format. Don't wanna spend that much time learning the ground game (and really, how many streetfights are you gonna get in where you will have to be a black belt in BJJ to get out?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Designs View Post
    and really, how many streetfights are you gonna get in where you will have to be a black belt in BJJ to get out?).
    If you live in OKlahoma, Texas, Ohio, Iowa, Nebraska, or Indiana, the odds of someone 'on the street' knowing how to wrestle are pretty high.

    And to tell you the truth, I don't train for self-defense. I train for the sake of training. Grappling allows you to train very hard with minimal chance of injury, especially compared to San Da. So, you can get a great workout, build your endurance, core strength, and flexibility, well past the age where you can Kick/Punch/Throw hard and still get out of bed in the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    If you live in OKlahoma, Texas, Ohio, Iowa, Nebraska, or Indiana, the odds of someone 'on the street' knowing how to wrestle are pretty high.

    And to tell you the truth, I don't train for self-defense. I train for the sake of training. Grappling allows you to train very hard with minimal chance of injury, especially compared to San Da. So, you can get a great workout, build your endurance, core strength, and flexibility, well past the age where you can Kick/Punch/Throw hard and still get out of bed in the morning.
    I just don't care about grappling personally. I respect it and the people that do it.

    But give me 5 days a week to train. I'd rather spend all 5 sparring, boxing, doing CLF, hitting the bags, whatever. I like to punch stuff. That's just that.

    Also the the guys who know how to "wrestle" on “the streets" how much FIGHTING experience do they have? Probably not alot.

    There's a matter of being big and strong, and thinking you're tought sh!t.

    It's another matter to be able to take a ****ing shovel hook to liver, a stomp kick to the knee or a low roundhouse to the thighs followed by a hard upper or hook to the head. Throw in some elbows or knees.

    Striking forces you to get used to the pain, grit your teeth, and keep going. Most "wrestlers" (like high school wrestlers etc who never do MMA) goes down after a good knee to the gut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    If you live in OKlahoma, Texas, Ohio, Iowa, Nebraska, or Indiana, the odds of someone 'on the street' knowing how to wrestle are pretty high.

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    Our Sifu has been doing so for over 30 years and is from Hong Kong. He uses what I gather is the traditional model. We learn open hand forms, interspersed with pad drills. Then go to two-man forms and then weapons. After a couple of years of building strength, endurance, and technique, the focus turns more to self-defense. It seems to be a "way of life" model, rather than the way teaching is organized at some other kenpo and karate schools I've seen, where the curriculum takes a broad approach from the start with technique, self defense, and over time fitness.

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    I like forms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Designs View Post
    Also the the guys who know how to "wrestle" on “the streets" how much FIGHTING experience do they have? Probably not alot.
    You mean besides 10+ years of wrestling in school 100% against guys trying to hurt you? LOL!

    It's another matter to be able to take a ****ing shovel hook to liver, a stomp kick to the knee or a low roundhouse to the thighs followed by a hard upper or hook to the head. Throw in some elbows or knees.
    You better add a sprawl in there, somewhere.

    Striking forces you to get used to the pain, grit your teeth, and keep going. Most "wrestlers" (like high school wrestlers etc who never do MMA) goes down after a good knee to the gut.
    And you don't go down after a good knee to gut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    If you live in OKlahoma, Texas, Ohio, Iowa, Nebraska, or Indiana, the odds of someone 'on the street' knowing how to wrestle are pretty high.

    And to tell you the truth, I don't train for self-defense. I train for the sake of training. Grappling allows you to train very hard with minimal chance of injury, especially compared to San Da. So, you can get a great workout, build your endurance, core strength, and flexibility, well past the age where you can Kick/Punch/Throw hard and still get out of bed in the morning.
    Wait a minute...I should be able to get out of bed in the morning after a good sparring session?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    You mean besides 10+ years of wrestling in school 100% against guys trying to hurt you? LOL!

    You better add a sprawl in there, somewhere.


    And you don't go down after a good knee to gut?
    When did school wrestling become MMA.

    The goal is to tap, not drop bombs and elbows on someone's face.
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    I like the initial premise.

    Baba Balogun of Egbe Ogun: African Wrestling said that a lot of practitioners of Asian martial arts believe that "the forms hold the secrets of the art". He says "no sparring holds the secrets of the art". Practicing forms day and night will not make you a proficient fighter. Though it will make you proficient at doing forms. I think that it is important for one's training methods to be consistent with one's purpose. If you're training for combat then forms may be useless. If your goal is to preserve tradition then forms have immense value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Designs View Post
    When did school wrestling become MMA.

    The goal is to tap, not drop bombs and elbows on someone's face.
    Can you punch your way out of this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vitkR...eature=related
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    Can you punch your way out of this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vitkR...eature=related
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