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    I think forms rule

    Okay, this is actually just a jab at Sanjuro

    just wanted to give our new resident mod here some work !

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    meh, if you'd been exposed to real MMA training you wouldn't post your glorified kung fu crap on here, I tell ya!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    Okay, this is actually just a jab at Sanjuro

    just wanted to give our new resident mod here some work !

    haha

    I agree.

    just a side question, you're not coming on to me too like that other guy, are you?
    Cause I am as straight as Sean Connery !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    I agree.

    just a side question, you're not coming on to me too like that other guy, are you?
    Cause I am as straight as "Sean Connery" !!
    yeah thats strait alright

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    meh, if you'd been exposed to real MMA training you wouldn't post your glorified kung fu crap on here, I tell ya!
    If only some people would understand this...
    Originally posted by Bawang
    i had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.
    Originally posted by Bawang
    i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.

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    I don't know about forms, but i do love the fighting aspect of my crappy kung foo system......lol
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    forms are the flowers that sprout from the seeds of self-expression...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uki View Post
    forms are the flowers that sprout from the seeds of self-expression...
    Ahhh, good old vague and nonsensical sayings. It really feels like a kung fu forum now

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    I find forms useful.

    I enjoy practice of them and can readily feel some benefit to my health and understanding of my own body by practice of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    I find forms useful.

    I enjoy practice of them and can readily feel some benefit to my health and understanding of my own body by practice of them.
    So does pretty much everyone else.
    Very few people are against training forms, many may be against the illusions that some profess are the purpose of forms, but all of us tend to agree they have benefits.
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    I think the underlying thinking is, and please correct me if I'm wrong,

    Forms don't teach fighting, fighting teaches fighting? So, if you want to learn how to fight, fight. Fair enough.

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    The Samuri is offended and threatens to behead the man if he doesn't bow, and the man says, "I don't need to bow to you and your skill, I can pour oil through the hole in this coin, into my bottle, and not spill a drop." The Samuri watched as he did so, over and over again.

    The Samuri then left.

    7 years later the Samuri returned, and bowed to the Oil Merchant in recognition of his skill which the Samuri could not reproduce, and was enlightened.

    To some, kung fu is about fighting. To others it is about physical skills and the pursuit of perfection in movement and timing. The goal is the pursuit, not the realisation.

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    I guess you can just say that not everybody has the same motivations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    Okay, this is actually just a jab at Sanjuro

    just wanted to give our new resident mod here some work !

    haha

    Forms training can be beneficial if practiced properly, taking account of the various elements within them, and as a part of a holistic kung fu training program that includes conditioning, Iron skills, two man exercises and of course, contact sparring.

    I also believe that TCMA school should teach the essential forms of a given system and not cram unnecessary number of such exercises into their curriculum.

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    I'll add that not all forms are created equal. Some forms are just choreography. Others have 'more' to offer.

    I know for a fact that there are skills I developed via form training, not techniques, but skills, that I could not have developed via free fighting, however, work in free fighting.

    Could I have isolated those exercises, taken them out of the forms, practiced them in isolation against bags, explored how they apply to different techniques, then in more live circumstances, shure. I did.

    Like I said, its not a technique, its a skill. Something that washes over lots of techniques.

    Something you do thousands of times under static circumstances before you even understand what it does and how to use it.

    No, never said it was quick, easy or efficient.
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    When I was a young fellow I had the chance to see a few different things, like a form of karate, that I decided to learn. I quickly learned that it was not much different than my own style. A bit rigid really, but not much different otherwise. Then I went ****her into it and found that it had an unbelievable number of forms. Each were learned in order to advance. Then I realized that these forms were really dependent upon my physical abilities. I am short, have short legs, large upper body and upper body strength. I could not do all the forms and techniques well. I could do a few really well, but not all. Some I could never do because I was limited physically. I have watched a few other different styles and systems and have come to see that they are all pretty much the same in that respect. I would not be able to keep up with the same level of skill as I grew older. I don't really think anyone could. All those old guys in the movies were really 15 year old kids with gray wigs.
    Then I come to think that the forms didn't really teach me anything, just had me practicing techniques and such. This is really the way we learn to fight well. Fighting does not teach you much, except that you don't want to get hit in the face. Fighting is just a way of testing what you have already learned. It tells you what works and what don't in a given situation. But fighting never teaches you anything. When you are fighting you do not have time to realize what you are doing or have just done. And after the fight you will remember very little of what took place. It is a very poor learning atmosphere. Forms will get and keep you limber for a while, and it allows you to perfect your use of fighting techniques. And in order to make it worth while, you pretend that you are whipping someone.

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    But fighting never teaches you anything. When you are fighting you do not have time to realize what you are doing or have just done. And after the fight you will remember very little of what took place. It is a very poor learning atmosphere.
    When you speak of fighting are you saying fighting like in the street/ring or are you speaking of sparring?

    2 different environments.
    Originally posted by Bawang
    i had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.
    Originally posted by Bawang
    i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.

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