Hardowork108 finally put a clip up!

[Hardwork108]

nice try with the remix of words that I did not post.

you are really nothing more than a piece of trash.

really.

Christ. The man can't take joke.

Hey remember you made false accusations about me and even about my sifu. You did not answer when asked to justify your comments!!!

Now you don't even let me make a light hearted joke?

By the way, did you ever train with CTS?

[Reverend Tap]

Ugh.

Just ugh.

This thread has basically no redeeming features, but I still managed to learn something from it: why so many people take such a negative view of CMA. The classic "mushroom school" of argumentation, unwillingness to legitimately back up statements made, Chinocentric exotification of the arts, and above all, a raw arrogance unmatched by any MMA advocate I've yet to come across.

Christ.

Hardwork108, just know that at this point, I no longer care what you know about kung fu. At this point I wouldn't care if you were a world-class top fighter, if your internals were on par with the masters of old, or if you were such a cultivated martial artist that you could integrate any type of movement into your kung fu seamlessly. You're putting yourself forward as the representative of TCMA, and in doing so you're behaving so poorly that as a TCMA student, I want nothing to do with you. Note that, although my name was on lkfmdc's list, I've never yet called you a troll, nor do I now; I'm pretty sure you do actually believe in what you're saying. But you've got a long, long way to go before you achieve the kind of cultivation of self you talk about in your posts. Congratulations, I'm using my ignore button for the first time.

For the record, the folks you've been arguing with haven't been behaving well either. But, in spite of your claims, by and large they're not putting themselves forward as the official representatives of all TCMA. It's not upsetting to me when people involved in MA act poorly; it's par for the course, really, no matter what form of MA you're talking about. But to do so while claiming to be the defender and representative of those of us who train in CMA and would rather not be involved in petty martial politics is nothing short of disgraceful.

[Shaolinlueb]

Ugh.

Just ugh.

This thread has basically no redeeming features, but I still managed to learn something from it: why so many people take such a negative view of CMA. The classic "mushroom school" of argumentation, unwillingness to legitimately back up statements made, Chinocentric exotification of the arts, and above all, a raw arrogance unmatched by any MMA advocate I've yet to come across.

Christ.

Hardwork108, just know that at this point, I no longer care what you know about kung fu. At this point I wouldn't care if you were a world-class top fighter, if your internals were on par with the masters of old, or if you were such a cultivated martial artist that you could integrate any type of movement into your kung fu seamlessly. You're putting yourself forward as the representative of TCMA, and in doing so you're behaving so poorly that as a TCMA student, I want nothing to do with you. Note that, although my name was on lkfmdc's list, I've never yet called you a troll, nor do I now; I'm pretty sure you do actually believe in what you're saying. But you've got a long, long way to go before you achieve the kind of cultivation of self you talk about in your posts. Congratulations, I'm using my ignore button for the first time.

For the record, the folks you've been arguing with haven't been behaving well either. But, in spite of your claims, by and large they're not putting themselves forward as the official representatives of all TCMA. It's not upsetting to me when people involved in MA act poorly; it's par for the course, really, no matter what form of MA you're talking about. But to do so while claiming to be the defender and representative of those of us who train in CMA and would rather not be involved in petty martial politics is nothing short of disgraceful.

amen to that!

[lkfmdc]

This thread has basically no redeeming features, but I still managed to learn something from it: why so many people take such a negative view of CMA.

The classic "mushroom school" of argumentation, unwillingness to legitimately back up statements made, Chinocentric exotification of the arts, and above all, a raw arrogance unmatched by any MMA advocate I've yet to come across.

you know I just HAD to quote that

[Kansuke]

To find authentic kung fu you will need to search for it. For any gwailo wanting to study authentic kung fu I would suggest for them not to search it in the local kickboxing gym nor buy any kickboxing dvds. That stuff is not kung fu.

As far as real kung fu goes, there are a few real kung fu sifus who have some instructional stuff or vidoes of their kwoons while practising. However, these will not be helpfull to people who will not recognize real kung fu if it fell on them.

Guys find a proper sifu. It is not easy but then nothing worthwhile in life comes easy.

'Advice' from the Two-Year Grandmaster

[MasterKiller]

Your mistake is that you think that I "assume".

Well, you yourself said you haven't reached the level of training to even start learning your Wing Chun groundfighting.

[golden arhat]

THEY CROSSTRAINED IN KUNG FU,

so
kung fu is made up of completely different martial arts that originate thousands of miles from each other

have you ever seen mi zong? it aint wing chun i'l tell you that

it'd be the same if he trained tae kwon do ALL CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER

just because something is chinese doesnt mean its automatically the same

geographical location of where styles originate has nothing to do with how well they blend with each other
the human body can only do so many things

in fact some arts dont go well with each other at all
imagine the wide round circular and jumping movements with the stumpyness and short statured tappy tappy crappy arm techniques of wing chun which dotn work against a boxer with 2 months of experience or almost any street brawler

u'd have a pretty funny style

but yeah

YMAS

[TongLongJai]

i probably missed all this amongst the kabillion posts...

Hardwork108:

who is your current teacher?

what do u currently study? Wing Chun? (which branch)

How long have you been studying for?

how old are u?

fanx~

[Eddie]

To find authentic kung fu you will need to search for it. For any gwailo wanting to study authentic kung fu I would suggest for them not to search it in the local kickboxing gym nor buy any kickboxing dvds. That stuff is not kung fu.

As far as real kung fu goes, there are a few real kung fu sifus who have some instructional stuff or vidoes of their kwoons while practising. However, these will not be helpfull to people who will not recognize real kung fu if it fell on them.

Guys find a proper sifu. It is not easy but then nothing worthwhile in life comes easy.

Have you met any real Traditional Sifu's?
Can you perhaps give me an idea of what would make a sifu Traditional? Do you have a list ?

[sanjuro_ronin]

so wait hold on

his teacher is a mixed martial artist? LMFAO

Nah, cross trainer would best define it.
I am not a big fan of mixing MA either, people tend to confuse one with the other.

[sanjuro_ronin]

AAAAHHH!

Put a god **** shirt on sanjuro. This isn't chippendales.

Just advertising the goods baby !

[SimonM]

I am beginning to consider the possibility of SimonM being a closed door disciple of Dale Dugas.

No, I am not.

In fact it's unlikely that Dale and I would get along very well. We just happen to share a view on your ineptitude.

[SimonM]

so
kung fu is made up of completely different martial arts that originate thousands of miles from each other

This is a good point and deserves repetition.

Hell even withing schools of wugong there were significant regional variations between regions as close together as hong kong and guangzhou.

Predicated, of course, upon the basic simmilarity of ALL martial arts everywhere.

However variation between two geographically distant Chinese arts was greater than variation between, say, northern chinese marital arts and Mongolian arts despite the fact that Mongolia is not entirely part of China and the Mongols are not Han. That's because China is geographically larger than the USA, contains dozens of ethnic groups who developed their own traditions - including fighting traditions - in addition to the Han, one of the most populous ethnicities in the world - an ethnicity that experiences significant cultural variation particularly on a north / south axis but also on an east / west axis within a landmass second only in size to Russia and Canada.

All this is a very long way of saying that there is variation among Chinese martial arts just as there is massive variation among Chinese people.

[lkfmdc]

It does seem that IKDMC does do character assassinations of people that speak badly about him and his methods. I'm not judging it. I think it's a good tactic for a business man to have in order to stay in business.

When people post snide stuff like this, you have to wonder

1) are they socialists who believe making money is evil? YES, I'm a business man and I make a LOT OF MONEY. I make it because I provide people with something they want and value

or

2) maybe you're just jealous that I'm successful?

Why is it that some people are held accountable on this board to put up videos proving skills and some aren't? Why is it okay for Dave to demand video from Hardwork but Dave doesn't have

Well, you're wrong on a number of counts

1) I'm not on here telling people I do some secret thing they've never seen, that is better than what they do, that they are all frauds and knuckle heads

2) The fact is I train a lot of fighters who have been very successful. So when I say "if you train this way, you get this result" I have a lot of documented evidence that I am correct. As opposed to the super secret wing chun ground fighitng based upon "chin na"

3) THere IS tons of video of me doing both traditional and san da on the net. Most of the traditional stuff is from the "Lama acrchives" and is done at walk through pace, but you can clearly see the technique. There is a full speed Tiger-Crane up and footage of me teaching San Da at seminars

oh, HI KKM

[Hardwork108]

so how do you practice your kicks?

I practice my kicks in a Yee Ma stance and any other stance that allows me to kick. No matter what stance you use, you need to have roots!

Have you been told this and have you done exercises to develop roots?

from a horse stance and bow stance? cause you know. everyone fights in a bowstance and horse stance cause its unmovable.

You fight from a horse stance? Explain please.

cause throwing punches while pivoting from bow stance to bow stance is the same twisting power you will get when throwing bunches in a regular fight.

I understand this but how do you compensate for the loss of mobility. Or how how low is your bow and arrow stance to start with.

I will add that in Wing Chun the stances are relatively high compared to Northern Shaolin styles and some of the concepts may be very different from what you do.

is this what you are refering to as real kung fu? fighting in your stances?

I am referring to being rooted no matter what stance you use or have been taught. A lot of stances are not going to come out exact during a real fight but anyone who claims to practice kung fu should understand the significance of roots and their relevance to everything else he does!