How to defeat a Wrestler

[Yoshiyahu]

How can you use your Wing Chun to defeat a ground figher with out going to ground or having taking any Ground fighting classes?

[Kansuke]

..........................run

[uki]

just effing bite them... take a few mouthfuls off of their bodies, they'll let up real quick.

[Ultimatewingchun]

Oh, oh....newbie to wing chun forum alert!!!

He's obviously unaware that there have been about 600 threads on this subject so far...

[sanjuro_ronin]

How can you use your Wing Chun to feet a ground figher with out going to ground or having taking any Ground fighting classes?

Let me ask you this, what is it about a "wrestler" and what he does that warrants a thread about how to defeat him?

[m1k3]

Let me ask you this, what is it about a "wrestler" and what he does that warrants a thread about how to defeat him?

Come on man. You've got Stone Cold Steve Austin breathing fire and smashing beer cans on his head, full ones so he's really really ****ed, coming for you.

That answers your question.

[taojkd]

You've got Stone Cold Steve Austin breathing fire and smashing beer cans on his head, full ones so he's really really ****ed, coming for you.

Gun. Gun is only solution to that guy.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Gun. Gun is only solution to that guy.

That'll just **** him off !!

[anerlich]

AS Vic said, this dead horse has been flogged to life again and back to dead several hundred times on various fora including this one. Every possible position on the subject, from the eminently sensible to the utter lunatic, from WC fundamentalism to MMA fundamentalism via pragmatism and back has been stated over and over.

Many WC styles have some groundfighting in them. But their practitioners are unlikely to have a hope on the ground against someone who trains there every day unless they do the same.

If you''re concerned about fighting groundfighters (why?), learn groundfighting. Know your enemy, even if he exists only in your imagination.

You're likely to avoid fights with wrestlers if you stop going to wrestling meets and shouting out that all that hugging and those singlets make them look gay.

[sanjuro_ronin]

AS Vic said, this dead horse has been flogged to life again and back to dead several hundred times on various fora including this one. Every possible position on the subject, from the eminently sensible to the utter lunatic, from WC fundamentalism to MMA fundamentalism via pragmatism and back has been stated over and over.

Many WC styles have some groundfighting in them. But their practitioners are unlikely to have a hope on the ground against someone who trains there every day unless they do the same.

If you''re concerned about fighting groundfighters (why?), learn groundfighting. Know your enemy, even if he exists only in your imagination.

You're likely to avoid fights with wrestlers if you stop going to wrestling meets and shouting out that all that hugging and those singlets make them look gay.

The problem sometimes is that too many people think that if they take up BJJ or MMA to adress the ground issue that, somehow, they are not doing their "style" anymore.
Someone has told them that to do B you have to stop A

Fact is, you wanna use your WC VS a wrestler, learn to wrestle, learn what they are good at, what their wekanesses are and learn hwo to use your WC to counter their strengths and expolit their weaknesses.
This is what every other MA FIGHTER(S) has ever done, why stop now?

[couch]

How can you use your Wing Chun to feet a ground figher with out going to ground or having taking any Ground fighting classes?

I will answer your question based on exactly what you asked.

You don't have to go to the ground. You also don't have to take any groundfighting classes. BUT!

You will have to find a few people with some grappling experience and square off in front of them. When this happens, you will quickly find out what works. IME, jamming with a Jum Sau on the neck, getting a piece of the eyes, mouth and ears WHILE either getting those hips back or dropping to a Kwai Sat (ie: lowering your base) seems to work for me. You can also think about dropping elbows on the back of the neck/head or on the opponent's back, but you can't rely on these techniques for a couple of reasons, IMO:

1. You can't pull them off 'realistically.' This doesn't mean they won't work. It just means that I like my training partners and I won't be dropping any elbows on their spine. Therefore, I know that going for vitals on the face works and the other things I mentioned, because you get an immediate (and safe) response.

2. You have to think like some of us WC people do: logically. If I hit someone in the face on their COM while they are trying to come around with a hook punch, their power won't be as strong. It still might connect, but their punch won't have the power it used to. While your base (read: hips/legs) are getting taken out from underneath you, everything you do with your hands will lose power (no ground power, worry starts to set in as you are getting dumped on your a$$, going into survival mode, etc).

Hope this helps. Find some nice people to hang out with and train with, talk to your Sifu, talk to your WC friends - if they can't help you, stretch your circle of influence out f@rther until you find what you're looking for. Warning: This forum is lame at best. I can count on one hand the people I trust here. LOL

Best.