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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu View Post
    how would snake not work with out if pressure points strikes don't work...what do you need for pressure point strikes to work?????
    From my understanding, Snake does not rely on hard bludgeoning techniques in order to neutralize an opponent. Strikes are aimed at specific parts of the body that cause unconscious reflex reactions (like hitting your knee with the rubber thingy at the doctor's office), intense pain or numbness (your "funny bone" or ulnar nerve is a good example), or knock-outs (like I described earlier). It will still use throws and certain types of chin'na, and the basic levels still used closed-fist strikes. But it would be really difficult to win a fight using the soft, jabby pokes that Snake is known for if the points you were hitting didn't have any effect. Sure you can still poke someone in the eyes or the throat or the groin, but if a style only has a few viable targets that it can effectively damage on an opponent, it's not a very practical style.
    And yes, you could train your hands to bust through concrete and sand bags so you didn't need to worry about where you hit someone, but it's really difficult to condition up to that level and maintain the sensitivity required for stuff like Sticky Hands (which Snake uses extensively).

    As far as "what you need for pressure point strikes to work", it doesn't take much.
    There's no secret to it. Most of the points are obvious if you know your anatomy: major nerve branches, eyes, muscle insertion points, arterial sinuses, joint connective tissue, etc.
    Once you know where to hit, it's just a matter of training your hands to be able to strike with the finger-tips (allowing you to concentrate the pressue into a much smaller area) and learning how to strike the points in the right way so as to cause the desired effect.
    Last edited by Chazmek; 03-06-2009 at 12:49 PM.
    What do you call someone who practices Dim Mak on themselves?
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    What Dim mak??

    All this Dim mak / chi talk can lead you into Big trouble!

    As Bruce lee said

    "Don't waste yourself "


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
    Last edited by Jansingsang; 03-06-2009 at 12:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_niehoff View Post
    Dim mak is fantasy.
    My Dim Mak isn't.
    Psalms 144:1
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    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    My Dim Mak isn't.
    Even though all the ladies fantasize about your Dim Mak?
    What do you call someone who practices Dim Mak on themselves?
    Dum Fuk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chazmek View Post
    Even though all the ladies fantasize about your Dim Mak?
    *cue the 70's porn music*
    Psalms 144:1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chazmek View Post
    Actually, it's just a basic Shaolin class. Dim Mak isn't part of the standard curiculum (sp?). It was being held in the gym of a local rec center and I was the only student present (private lesson).

    Regardless, I would love to know how to give non-verbal cues like that. If that's how it works, it doesn't make a difference to me. It's a neat trick no matter how you look at it.


    Check out this video of Derren Brown. He is a hypnotist and does not do kung fu. He is also a skeptic who likes to debunk a lot of the BS for these types of beliefs.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBXXA5xhcQ0

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Jansingsang View Post
    All this Dim mak / chi talk can lead you into Big trouble!

    As Bruce lee said

    "Don't waste yourself "


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
    lol, yeah, the Kiai stuff is pretty strange.
    I'm interested to know if that guy got his $5k.
    What do you call someone who practices Dim Mak on themselves?
    Dum Fuk!

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    On a serious note, Dim Mak and vital point striking is NOT fraud, anyone that have ever fought anyone knows that hitting the right spot is much better than hitting the wrong spot.
    The issues of WHY some points work are irrelevant because there are more than just 1 reason why they do.
    Dim Mak is a tool, just like IP and just like strength training, there is nothing mysterious about it at all, you just need to have the actual SKILL to apply it in combat.
    Psalms 144:1
    Praise be my Lord my Rock,
    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by m1k3 View Post
    Check out this video of Derren Brown. He is a hypnotist and does not do kung fu. He is also a skeptic who likes to debunk a lot of the BS for these types of beliefs.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBXXA5xhcQ0
    That is awesome!
    The guy doubles over and looks like he's about to throw up!

    Like I said, even if it's just psychology tricks, I'm still interested in learning it.
    What do you call someone who practices Dim Mak on themselves?
    Dum Fuk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    On a serious note, Dim Mak and vital point striking is NOT fraud, anyone that have ever fought anyone knows that hitting the right spot is much better than hitting the wrong spot.
    The issues of WHY some points work are irrelevant because there are more than just 1 reason why they do.
    Dim Mak is a tool, just like IP and just like strength training, there is nothing mysterious about it at all, you just need to have the actual SKILL to apply it in combat.
    Dim mak isn't a tool, it is a fantasy.

    Hitting or applying pressure to weak points of the human body isn't dim mak. Dim mak is a whole lot more. And that whole lot more is nonsense.

    Of course all fighters take advantage of the human bodies natural weaknesses. Boxers don't use dim mak; bjj fighters don't use dim mak. But both try to take advantage of their opponent's weaknesses.

    Moreover, it is important why things work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chazmek View Post
    That is awesome!
    The guy doubles over and looks like he's about to throw up!

    Like I said, even if it's just psychology tricks, I'm still interested in learning it.
    Why? Do you want to become a stage hypnotist or just impress your friends? These tricks have no value from a martial arts/fighting standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_niehoff View Post
    Dim mak isn't a tool, it is a fantasy.

    Hitting or applying pressure to weak points of the human body isn't dim mak. Dim mak is a whole lot more. And that whole lot more is nonsense.

    Of course all fighters take advantage of the human bodies natural weaknesses. Boxers don't use dim mak; bjj fighters don't use dim mak. But both try to take advantage of their opponent's weaknesses.

    Moreover, it is important why things work.
    Your view of DM and mine aren't and where never, the same.
    To me DM is like Atemi Waza and like Kyusho-jutsu and is not just an empty handed sub-system.
    Psalms 144:1
    Praise be my Lord my Rock,
    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_niehoff View Post
    Why? Do you want to become a stage hypnotist or just impress your friends? These tricks have no value from a martial arts/fighting standpoint.
    Psychology tricks can be very useful tools in a spar or a real fight. Any tool that helps achieve your objective is a useful one.

    The moment they ask us to choose between two different paths, the implicit message is that we can only follow one. -Daniele Bolelli, On The Warrior’s Path

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taryn P. View Post
    Psychology tricks can be very useful tools in a spar or a real fight. Any tool that helps achieve your objective is a useful one.
    Aw, she beat me to it.

    Yes, useful tools should not be discarded simply because you find out that they work differently than you originally thought.
    What do you call someone who practices Dim Mak on themselves?
    Dum Fuk!

  15. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by t_niehoff View Post
    Dim mak isn't a tool, it is a fantasy.

    Hitting or applying pressure to weak points of the human body isn't dim mak. Dim mak is a whole lot more. And that whole lot more is nonsense.

    Of course all fighters take advantage of the human bodies natural weaknesses. Boxers don't use dim mak; bjj fighters don't use dim mak. But both try to take advantage of their opponent's weaknesses.

    Moreover, it is important why things work.
    So what is Dim Mak, if not using pressure points on the human body?
    Am I missing something?
    What do you call someone who practices Dim Mak on themselves?
    Dum Fuk!

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