Making your WC deadly

[Yoshiyahu]

What are some techinques that one can practice to make his WC more deadly against lets say an armed attacker when you have no weapon,can not run,can not talk your way out of a fight and know that your attacker plans on stabbing you to death.

Are there any deadly techniques you can practiced to be prepared for this one and hundred chance you have to fight for your life? Also what conditioning should one do to make their WC more lethal?


For instance Wing Chun is like a broad sword. Knowing the forms and the basics is the Sword by itself. But having an art(Sword) with a unsharpen blade is like fighting with a knife or sword that doesn't cut. You can still hurt and maybe kill with a dull sword but it would be harder against someone else who has a sharpen blade. Wing Chun is a gun. A gun can can injure and kill with out bullets, but with bullets its much easier. Your gun w/o bullets would be useless against a gunmen with bullets.

So the basics and forms are the gun and sword.

But certain conditioning would give you the bullets or sharpen your blade?

Please share what you think the bullets are in WC?

[Hendrik]

What are some techinques that one can practice to make his WC more deadly against lets say an armed attacker when you have no weapon,can not run,can not talk your way out of a fight and know that your attacker plans on stabbing you to death.

deadly WC you mean deadly toilet?



1, with your noisy "if" specuating mind you are attracting garbage.

2, with your noisy "if" specuating mind you trap yourself.

3, with your noisy "if" specuating mind you set yourself up to all of the above.


what you think like above do the most damage to yourself.


Why dont you just quiet that "monkey" mind and attract not the illusion and just live in peace? your choice of couse.


Until you learn how to quiet your mind. Your mind is your worse enermy. You need to learn NOT Making your WC deadly. but living in peace.





see contradic to your post in other thread.

Yes, there is advance WCK principle:


WCK advance principle said,

Yau Yeng Da Yeng, Mo Yeng Da Yieng, Mo Yieng Poh Chung.

there is the shape target the shape, there is no shape target the shadow/dynamic, there is no shadow/dynamic broke your own reference or center.

Broken your own reference or think out of box call for the ability to Do Using Silence to lead action.

Silence means one has to quiet one's mind.



See, advance WCK principle saying not the center line, pressure forward..... those stuffs.

Advance WCK principle said Come accept, goes let it return, let go and move forward, using silence to lead action.

and

Advance WCK principle said there is the shape target the shape, there is no shape target the shadow/dynamic, there is no shadow/dynamic broke your own reference.


IT is about let Go let GOD, or let it flow in silence. Peace silence. instead of those monkey mind jumping around. with those monkey mind, the kung fu cant be too deep.



Think about it. You dont need deadly stuffs but peacefull thought to attract good things. That is Poh Chung. Think out of box. Learn the advance principle and choose not to be the frog trap itself within the well and thinking the sky is as big as the well opening or the monkey jumping around thinking all the world is going to get him.

Relax! All is well. I dont make my WC deadly but I make my toilet warm and cozy and peacefull.

[mjw]

The overall training makes WCK as deadly as it can be.

Bong-lap forearm conditioning helps make hard gan & dip saus etc. then the wall bag to make your short range strikes more powerful/ deadly. Not to mention Dummy work.... WCK is a fully rounded system overall just give it time to develop for you and you will see.

[anerlich]

Are there any deadly techniques you can practiced

I used to practise these, but then I ran out of training partners. Too many funerals, too.

If you want to prepare yourself to deal with violent crime, read "Strong on Defense" by Sanford Strong. It will prepare you far better than all the WC training will.

[taojkd]

Get a gun.


Else, train harder, spar more people.

[Yoshiyahu]

The first guy much of what he wrote i didn't understand. But you are pretty clear and concise. Yes I agree certain parts of WC does develop you. But there are also other parts which may not be taught or shared with others. For instance Yuen Kay San was very skilled with his hands. He also was very skilled with Iron Sand Palm. Austin Goh is known for both his skills at chi sau and being able to break six bricks with his palm.



Bruce lee was known for being able to do push ups on his fingers. If you can do many many push ups on your fingers...eventually your fingers will be able to push through someone. Yuen Kay San also was skilled with piercing his hand through a sand bag and grabbing a pebble inside.

not many people can puncture a sand bag today with their fingers?


But these are some of the points or star developments i am alluding too!

The overall training makes WCK as deadly as it can be.

Bong-lap forearm conditioning helps make hard gan & dip saus etc. then the wall bag to make your short range strikes more powerful/ deadly. Not to mention Dummy work.... WCK is a fully rounded system overall just give it time to develop for you and you will see.

[Katsu Jin Ken]

Yosh- just to be clear you want to learn certain WC techniques that are deadly or learn to defend against a gun, knife, bat ect..???

as far as deadly like "dim mak" style things i have no idea like joint locks pressure points?

as for the latter, if you want to learn to defend against a knife, what we do is get some washable markers and white t shirts, a dot is a stab wound, slash is well a cut obviously, grab a couple markers and go at it

for a club like a bat we use a whiffle ball bat, it stings but not too bad

[Yoshiyahu]

Yes I agree one should work on defense against attackers. This great, But Also what about making your techniques more deadly. Now of course you to do jointlocks,pressure point striking and arm breaks.

But what about developing deadly kungs.

Like with tiger they train their hands to rip and tear flesh namely the throat.

Eagle calw trains their hands to crush your throat.

Crane trains their bils.

Karate trains their hands to break bricks

An of course Northen Shaolin trains Iron palm techniques that render similiar results as Karate.

So wouldn't your WC be more complete by adding in the ability of certain Kungs?

For instance:
Iron Palm!
Rock Crushing Fingers(Body Piercing Fingers)!

I am not sold on Dim mak. I could be wrong I think Dim Mak is just a myth. I dont believe in the mystical mumbo jumbo...last time I check Dim mak was a japanese word?

Yosh- just to be clear you want to learn certain WC techniques that are deadly or learn to defend against a gun, knife, bat ect..???

as far as deadly like "dim mak" style things i have no idea like joint locks pressure points?

as for the latter, if you want to learn to defend against a knife, what we do is get some washable markers and white t shirts, a dot is a stab wound, slash is well a cut obviously, grab a couple markers and go at it

for a club like a bat we use a whiffle ball bat, it stings but not too bad

[sanjuro_ronin]

The first guy much of what he wrote i didn't understand. But you are pretty clear and concise. Yes I agree certain parts of WC does develop you. But there are also other parts which may not be taught or shared with others. For instance Yuen Kay San was very skilled with his hands. He also was very skilled with Iron Sand Palm. Austin Goh is known for both his skills at chi sau and being able to break six bricks with his palm.



Bruce lee was known for being able to do push ups on his fingers. If you can do many many push ups on your fingers...eventually your fingers will be able to push through someone. Yuen Kay San also was skilled with piercing his hand through a sand bag and grabbing a pebble inside.

not many people can puncture a sand bag today with their fingers?


But these are some of the points or star developments i am alluding too!

I would take certain feats with a grain of salt.
Some may be exagerated and others may require far more "forging" than you need/willing to do.

[Hendrik]

The first guy much of what he wrote i didn't understand. -------


That shows your boundary.





But you are pretty clear and concise. ------

By evident, what you think WCK is might not be what it is.






Yes I agree certain parts of WC does develop you. -----


WC does not develop you. WC lead you to be able to apply yourself fully and effectively. WC is just a tool.





But there are also other parts which may not be taught or shared with others. For instance Yuen Kay San was very skilled with his hands. He also was very skilled with Iron Sand Palm. Austin Goh is known for both his skills at chi sau and being able to break six bricks with his palm. ------


You can have weapon such as as deadly as bazoka in your hand and end up dead because you dont know what is reality, how to think, what to attract.

Thus, get your mind straight before thinking.



Finally, all this Making your WC deadly thought are just sick and negative. Similar to a person if he keep thinking of stealling others stuffs, he will end up thinking every one is trying to steal his stuffs.

Those who got into depression is keep thinking depression thoughts.


Going this path is wasting life and misleading which create big problem for oneself. because this is the way how one trap one into a self created tunel vision.


As the ADVANCE WINGCHUN PRINCIPLE said " Mo Yieng Poh Choong" or No shadow/dynamic broke(let go) your center ( reference, mind set, tunnel vision) Until able to do that one is just a robot program to do a certain task call Tan Sau.. Bong....etc set up to attack center line if there is any (and it got confuse if there is none). How can those type of Dummy works well?

[Yoshiyahu]

How do you know they work? Well simple. You build build. No need to test them on people. Stack six to eight bricks. When your Iron Palms is strong enough to smash them all. Then you know you have that ability to hit someone on top of the head or the back of head with that same force. As for Bui Tze strikes. When your able to thrust your fingers through a heavy bag of sand or punch your fist through a punching bag and leave a hole. You know you can do serious damage. What we call demostrations of people breaking things with their strength are really just a guage to see where your progress is. No need to hit someone in the face with an inch punch to see if you got enough power. If you have telephone book on somes chest then you measure your progress by hitting the phone book with causing serious damage. Why go around killing people...thats not the intent for inquiring this skill.

As for practice. I practice shooting my Nine at a target. Not at people. No need to shoot people. Thats what targets are for. As for practicing with a knife. I can use a rubber or wooden knife. No need to really stab my training partner or stranger. No need to use my gun,knife, or WC deadly techniques unless I am in sitituation where I can't reach my nine or shot gun to kill the person who is trying to kill me. But why buy a gun? Just in case! why buy knives? just in case. Why train lethal techniques just in case I am in life or death sitiutation me against them. its me or them. i choose me!

I know if hit someone hard enough in the back head with the torque punch it will kill them. I don't do that though. I have had no need to do. I learn how to rake the face and rake the throat but I haven't done it to my training partners. No need to. You acquire the skill for just in case. But don't go around using it on people...

i know how to chain punch people in the nose until it bleeds. But do i do strangers or training partner like that?

The problem with deadly techniques is how do you know they work and how do you train them.

If someone says strike A against body part B will kill someone how do you know it will work? Can't go around killing your training partners and most places frown on killing strangers.

But, you can train good fundamentals, things that work because you know they work. A punch to the face hurts, because you have felt it and have done it to others. An armbar works because you have felt someone take you arm right to the edge of breaking and you have done it to others. A choke works because in rolling you have probably choked someone until they saw stars or passed out and have had the same done to you.

This goes for a lot of your basic techniques. They work, you know they work and there is a high percentage you can pull them off.

Worry about learning deadly techniques which usually are low percentage, dangerous or impossible to train and questionable from a legal standpoint is time that could be spent working on something that you know works.

Just my 2 cents.

Okay Chazmek I stand corrected!~~~ Thankyou...

how would snake not work with out if pressure points strikes don't work...what do you need for pressure point strikes to work?????

Dim Mak is Cantonese
The Mandarin is Dien Xue.
Japanese styles have something similar...I think the word is Atemi...I could be wrong...

Regardless, it's nothing magical or mythical.

The body works in certain ways, and there are many techniques that are designed to disrupt the body's functions.

Snake would be a nearly useless style if pressure point strikes did not work.

your right WC is also not all about killing. But there is small aspect concerning killing techniques and conditioning needed to so in case your in fight to the death against some gangster,robbery,burlar,rapist,assasin,drug dealer or thug. But know its not just about killing your correct. I am simply illuminating an aspect few people seem to mention!

"Dim Mak" isn't all about killing strikes and deadly stuff.
It's about using pressure points to decrease your opponent's ability to react effectively. Many of the techniques can be done in controlled sparring and used safely while still having their intended effect. Yes they can cause serious health issues, but even in a real fight I would hesitate to use any of the strikes that are said to be "deadly". I've never tried them, so I don't know for sure if they work. But I've read enough literature on the subject, and been taught by people that I respect, so I'm not about to test it on people I care about.

[Liddel]

What are some techinques that one can practice to make his WC more deadly against lets say an armed attacker when you have no weapon,can not run,can not talk your way out of a fight and know that your attacker plans on stabbing you to death.

Are there any deadly techniques you can practiced to be prepared for this one and hundred chance you have to fight for your life? Also what conditioning should one do to make their WC more lethal?

Having good technique and a solid foundation of power and movement/footwork is first and foremost...and IMO you need not have"deadly techs" just good old fashion damaging techs as you would in H2H.

Ive found through mixing with other styles that specifically train against weapons that the habbit of not using thumbs for grabbing in VT is contrary to how you would need to deal with an attacker with a knife...

That said - controlling the weapon on your outside after stepping inside is good - like stepping in chopping the swinging arm with a Guarn Sau then grabbing the arm to control followed by - stomping a knee to ground the opponent, then using footwork to circle around the opponent to lock off his ability to use the arm and weapon followed by a good head stomp is my prefered tech...which IMO is 'mostly' VT and while it can be deadly if you dont stop stomping... is enough to stop a unseasoned angry knife laymen LOL.

Anyway thats my take.

DREW

[anerlich]

however i can tell you taht i have had accupressure and herbal treatments 10 times for various joint and muscle injuries (some chronic that i have had for months) and i have had TREMENDOUS success, i.e. they dissappeared.

this was after i went to my orthopedic surgeon, who is a good doctor in his own right, had x rays, and he couldnt tell me what was wrong with me.

Lucky you.

I had back pain for fifteen years that I trained through. Like AGONY. Some days I needed a stick to walk. I had about five acupuncture treatments which only affected my bank balance. I went to multiple chiropractors who gave temporary relief. Two reasonably hard sessions I'd be hurting again.

THen I had six sessions of physiotherapy over a couple of months, and I've had maybe three reoccurrences of mild back pain in the last 18 very active years.

I've had other injuries (if you've only had them for months, they aren't really chronic IMO) get better with Advil, Voltaren, and professional sports massage.

And surgery. I had a knee arthroscopy to fix a meniscus tear in my knee a bit over a month ago. It was a great success, I'm back to hard KF, BJJ,MMA , running and kettlebells again already.

Acupuncture cannot fix structural problems (and in my case apparently, nothing else either).

I hope no one seriously contemplates going to the local acupressure guy/gal if they are diagnosed with AIDS or a brain tumour.

[anerlich]

Ive found through mixing with other styles that specifically train against weapons that the habbit of not using thumbs for grabbing in VT is contrary to how you would need to deal with an attacker with a knife...

Very true.