Poll: What percentage of hand techniques versus leg techniques do you use?

[dnovice]

Question is what percentage of leg to arm techniques do you use in a fight/spar etc?

I've been thinking about this for a while now after looking at a lot of youtube videos, and people in my classes that people seem to be very proficient with their hands and usually never use their legs.

[Katsu Jin Ken]

most people except that wing chun is a southern style with some northern influences. Southerners prefer hands north prefer feet.

[mjw]

About 20% legs counting just simple knees I would say.

[Liddel]

Im about 70 - 80% arms 30 - 20% legs.

I find that i usually begin or end flurries with either kicks or elbows. These are my heaviest actions.

I tend to stomp the legs freestyle or when controlling arms which is more VT but its low usage in alot of my sprring cause its just not sportsman like...
last time i landed a VT kick against my KB sparring partner he angered me with a real heavy thigh kick and i lost it a little and stomped the side of his knee dropping him.

He couldn't sparr for a week and was a little upset, and i was a quite annoyed at myself but also at the fact i have trouble training certain VT leg kicks because they are to damaging for sparring

Leg kicks are desructuve but body kicks are sweet so it tends to lessen my leg use and can tend to become more kickboxing IMO which aint good for VT guy

Lucky hes one of my best mates

DREW

[Chazmek]

70% hands
30% legs

Almost all of those leg techniques are defensive in nature.
My kicks are still too slow to be consistantly effective for offense.

[dnovice]

Interesting so the consensus seems to be about 80/20. What is the optimal usage one should aspire to, do you think?


>lidell wrote:
>He couldn't sparr for a week and was a little upset, and i was a quite annoyed >at myself but also at the fact i have trouble training certain VT leg kicks because >they are to damaging for sparring

man that sucks. So it would be better to practice on an inanimate object like the wooden dummy.

>Katsu Jin Ken wrote:
>most people except that wing chun is a southern style with some northern >influences. Southerners prefer hands north prefer feet.

cool. The thing is there are kicks in our forms, in wing chun i mean. To neglect that is to neglect versality.

[Liddel]

What is the optimal usage one should aspire to, do you think?

I believe hands and legs work together leading in and out of combo's so it should be around 60 - 40 IMO... closer towards even.

This ratio also changes IME as i get tired in sparring, sometimes its hard to keep the hands up so i try to kick more or i get smacked in the head LOL

man that sucks. So it would be better to practice on an inanimate object like the wooden dummy.

I cant use full force on the dummy and i never do because of my opinion as to what the dummy is for, for me its a VT protractor.

A heavy bag is my only other option which i dont have full time access to so.... and sparring is needed to really get better at the kicks so its a tough one IMO.

Since that example i used (a while ago now) ive been kicking softer to practice timing and range - which is working but - its no comparrison to just being able to launch a good stomp my inside kicks are getting better though.

Ying and yang and all that

DREW

[AdrianK]

most people except that wing chun is a southern style with some northern influences. Southerners prefer hands north prefer feet.

And yet northern baji and southern mok gar somehow exist despite that

[Yoshiyahu]

I try to practice at least each kick on both sides and also in yee gee kim yeung ma.

In a fight slash sparring match kick ratio depends...Usually I shoot for 70%/30%

But if its a guy good with his hands. I try to do 50/50 to confuse him. Like a boxer who never uses kicks. Or another Martial Artist who use his feet 10% of the time. I will use my feet equally with my hand to distract him from the bottom while attacking the top especially on the inside if I am good enough to bridge my opponent I will also cause some distruption by stomping the knee. check kick his shins while palm striking,chain punching elbow slashing etc etc. I will use traps and Jut Sau along with a kick. It really depends. Recently I been using kicks more with my friends who I spar with. But my WC peeps usually use the hands. Except for my Sihing. he loves to kick. We have kicking parties sometime for hours where we just work on kicks and kick sparring.

[AdrianK]

Question is what percentage of leg to arm techniques do you use in a fight/spar etc?

The percentage that works.
A Spar or a fight is living and not static.

Its not a mathematical formula.

Test your opponent, figure out what hes weak with, and exploit those weaknesses.

Figure out your opponent and make adjustments as necessary.

[Yoshiyahu]

Please share with us the chaotic happenings of real one on one fight?

How can kicks be applied in a chaotic fight?

Do you see it as advantage or disadvantage to do kicks?

AdrianK Quote:
Question is what percentage of leg to arm techniques do you use in a fight/spar etc?

The percentage that works.
A Spar or a fight is living and not static.

Its not a mathematical formula.

Test your opponent, figure out what hes weak with, and exploit those weaknesses.

Figure out your opponent and make adjustments as necessary.

[AdrianK]

Please share with us the chaotic happenings of real one on one fight?

How can kicks be applied in a chaotic fight?

Do you see it as advantage or disadvantage to do kicks?

It really depends on the speed and power of your kick, where you decide to target and how quickly your opponent can react. All of these variables fluctuate but if you spar often, you'll have a good idea of when your opponent will be open for it.

That being said, like I said, these variables fluctuate. There are times in sparring where I know someone is a good kicker, so I wait for them to try to start to shift their balance to throw a kick, and I rush in and take them down or throw them. And there are times when I'm not on my game against kicks, and I get done in by it.

You just need to learn how to read your opponents and make adjustments if your game plan stops working.

There are no disadvantages or advantages to doing kicks other than the ridiculously obvious ones. They have their time and place to be done.

[Yoshiyahu]

Excellent post?

Tell what are ways you develop my power in your kicks?

What are ways you increase the speed of your kicks?

It really depends on the speed and power of your kick, where you decide to target and how quickly your opponent can react. All of these variables fluctuate but if you spar often, you'll have a good idea of when your opponent will be open for it.

That being said, like I said, these variables fluctuate. There are times in sparring where I know someone is a good kicker, so I wait for them to try to start to shift their balance to throw a kick, and I rush in and take them down or throw them. And there are times when I'm not on my game against kicks, and I get done in by it.

You just need to learn how to read your opponents and make adjustments if your game plan stops working.

There are no disadvantages or advantages to doing kicks other than the ridiculously obvious ones. They have their time and place to be done.

[dnovice]

And yet northern baji and southern mok gar somehow exist despite that

Useless information. Has nothing to do with the thread. Why are you posting??

I try to practice at least each kick on both sides and also in yee gee kim yeung ma.

In a fight slash sparring match kick ratio depends...Usually I shoot for 70%/30%

But if its a guy good with his hands. I try to do 50/50 to confuse him. Like a boxer who never uses kicks. Or another Martial Artist who use his feet 10% of the time. I will use my feet equally with my hand to distract him from the bottom while attacking the top especially on the inside if I am good enough to bridge my opponent I will also cause some distruption by stomping the knee. check kick his shins while palm striking,chain punching elbow slashing etc etc. I will use traps and Jut Sau along with a kick. It really depends. Recently I been using kicks more with my friends who I spar with. But my WC peeps usually use the hands. Except for my Sihing. he loves to kick. We have kicking parties sometime for hours where we just work on kicks and kick sparring.

Thank you Yoshiyahu.

The percentage that works.
A Spar or a fight is living and not static.

Its not a mathematical formula.

I know that. It was not the point of the thread. Useless info. Answer the question or don't post.

Adriank, this is a poll not a grounds for disagreeing with someone. I asked for honest feedback, and that honest feedback does not deserve spam critic that serves no purpose.

With this thread, I was hoping that all newbies and not just me could have this to refer to when they are looking for guide as to what is the best (ie. in senior members opinions). I want to add to the usefulness of this forum.

That said, it seems the common percentages favored are 50/50 and 70/30 Arms to leg usage.

Thank you guys for taking part.

[AdrianK]

Useless information. Has nothing to do with the thread. Why are you posting??

Hah. You really need to pull that stick out of your ass.

My comment was on a comment on the ridiculous assumption that an art coming from southern or northern china somehow must have a hand technique or leg technique focus.

It doesn't.

I know that. It was not the point of the thread. Useless info. Answer the question or don't post.

The thread is called
What percentage of hand techniques versus leg techniques do you use?

THE POINT OF MY POST IS THAT THERE IS NO SUCH STATIC PERCENTAGE!

Are you SERIOUS? Your poll doesn't even make any sense! It just invites the idiotic concept that there is some kind of "Correct" percentage!

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