Wing Chun and The root

[Hendrik]

The following are IMHHHHHO, if you dont like it ignore it.




But one stood out concerning the Kuit Kuen...what does the Wing Chun Kuen Kuit and sayings say about stillness and movement? --------


IMHO, one needs to have a strong foundation training to be able to know what is it. There is no stillness and movement, there is only flow.

As it said, Comes accept, goes let it go back, set free and proceed, using silence to lead action.

There is no mention of stillness and movement, there is only one thing --- FLOW.







Habititually or Naturally. ----HS

You have to make it habit. Thats were drilling comes in. Drill defense against round house kicks. Drill defense against fast jab.Drill defense against shoot. etc etc. -------

That is a kiss of death. make a habit until the habit running one un consciously. That is not Nature as what the TCMA or Lao TZu means when it said Dao is to follow Nature.








Better words for Naturally
Habitually
Practice
Spontaneous
Instinctively
Automatic Response

Also:
Natural Response due to habitual practice! ------


This all are man made stuffs. Good to think about but mostly have no clue what is what in action.

In the Chinese they call this, Discussing War Fare on paper. Meaning it is just empty words.

For example,
Habitual and Spontaneous are different thing. Can you differentiate that? can you body know what is habitual and what is spontaneous? What is a habitual Tan sau what is a Sponatneous Tan sau, there is big different.






Stillness: Well redirecting force with out moving backwards or stepping to side.
Movement: Constant stepping -----


To be real honest, what you describe is just mental speculation. No insult intended.

Your world is just a plain two directional world while in reality there are atleast 6 directional. with your awareness cannot know it, your body cant adapt to it.






I drill certain techniques so when sparring They can become reflex actions.----


That is not what the kuen kuit teaches, the Kuen kuit said Comes accept, goes let it go back, set free and proceed, using silence to lead action.

Your training seem logical but it is setting your own boundary and limit. until somedays you are doom by your reflex action. Because you dont know silence means spontaneous no habitual reflex action.





In sparring I try to get live practice of defending against multiple vectors and ranges of attacks. ------


What is multiple vectors and ranges of attacks? those are show business. IMHO.

in real life, everything is multiple dimensional, every single move.

people often use multiple dimensional....etc that is just to point out the existance of multi-dimensional in every single move. there no need to create a multiple vectors....

again, in real life all the dimensional is just one flow. how to deal with the flow is the key, not to be bug down by those finger pointing at the moon.






Root=solidness and strong structure implanted in the ground -------



Those BJJ guys have root better then you.
because falling is nature ,
and your so called rooting is against nature.

Thus, you are against the law of nature. so, no matter what you do, your structure will not be able to sustain.

Look even sky scrapper fall. how strong can you structure?

again,

The WCK never said what you said above

It SAid, Comes accept, goes let it go back, set free and proceed, using silence to lead action.

So what do you do? WCK? not likely according the WCK Kuen Kuit.

Hey Sir AWAKE, WCK just said FLOW. Not standing there trying to resist anyone trying to take you down based on the law of gravity.







Chi=enery -----


Empty words.




Fajin=explosive power -----


Empty words like OPIUM with delude lots and lots of people.



These are simple paraphrases of my opinion...it goes deeper but concerning the Root, Chi and Fajin you know what they mean? ------


It is not about Know what they mean. it is about can one do it? Not words.






I have practice the root on and off for like 16 years..but recently been getting back into it from my recent neglection. I have been working on other elements of the WC primarily. -------


AS I said above, you can practice another 16 years and I guarentee you got take down.

Why? because you have a wrong concept which trying to go against the law of nature. and the WCK ancestor doesnt teach what you think is WCK.





Can tree move at all? No. Can a human move? yes? We are both pliable and immovable.-----

again all thinking.



Needless to say a 120lbs doesn't stand there when a 270lbs lionbacker is rushing towards him. -----


sure a a 120lbs doesn't stand there when a 270lbs lionbacker is rushing towards him, and in the law of nature it is not suppose to. So why do it?




WC is about turning off force right? Why use your root to take force greater than you? ------


What ROOT? What force?

What does the WCK kuen kuit said?

It SAid, Comes accept, goes let it go back, set free and proceed, using silence to lead action.





Please read this article concerning Root! ------
http://www.mainewingchunkungfu.com/article1.htm


Fajin:


Root and Chi




No insult intent but purely straight honest and technical.
That is not what the ancient WCK ancestors writting teaches.






I don't know anyone who can use their root to stop from being taken down. I know my root is not that strong. But if its possible I would like to try to take the guy down myself who has a strong root. To see if I can get him down. I can see a strong root stopping a sweep but not a dead lift or bear hug. ------


So what is the purpose of ROOT? why keep training in it where the Kuen Kuit doesnt endose it, where it can stop being taken down?

What is the point?



With a grappler you need strikes,skill and movement along with redirection of force. These are keys to advoiding a take down in my foolish opinion. -----



until falling is nature you have no chance. IMHO.

and if falling is nature why avoiding take down? Why resist it? what is bad to be take down?

and

What is the Kuen Kuit said?



It SAid, Comes accept, goes let it go back, set free and proceed, using silence to lead action.


These days people read but dont comprehend, isnt it?

Hello, anyone still do WCK?











More concerning the root:




I am surprise you never learn about Root in WC when in China. Perhaps maybe since you are Gwalo they choose not to share certain things with you. ----

or may be I cut through all the craps and directing into the core of the core?



I practice root when I am sitting down in my stance and sinking my body weight to ground. I also practice moving in and out of the root. --------


and what is the kuen kuit said? anything about ROOT?







As for inside fighting. A friend of mines is a bigger guy then me. So to withstand his forward pressure I have to root. Otherwise I will be flopping around like a rag doll. It allows me other options. Also you never know you may have to fight in hallway,back up against an alley wall,bathroom,stairway or elevator. Where you can only sink your stance because a whole lot moving is not an option. -----

again, what is the WCK kuen kuit says?




You seem like a knowledgeable guy. -----

I just grow older and become more foolish these days. saying things I am not suppose to said.





Do I have to explain the list is a compare and contrast of options one can use in a fight?

1.Tan Sau or Jum sau
2.Bong Sau or Bong Gerk
3.Bridging or not Bridiging
4.Pak Sau or Huen Sau
5.Light skills or Stance rooting
6.Footwork skills or Pivoting
7.Soft Power or Hard Power
8.Speed or Strength
9.Punches or Kicks
10.Arm breaks or Pressure point strikes




and WHAT is the Kuen Kuit said? why is the kuen kuit doesnt come with all kind of laundry list and figthing fighting? but accept and return and set free and silence? are you doing WCK?





What you train the most will come out while fighting. But the key is to be well rounded in your WC? --------


There is no well rounded in one's WC. there is only Let Go and Let God, according to the kuen kuit


It SAid, Comes accept, goes let it go back, set free and proceed, using silence to lead action.


Dont waste life, make good use of your life. fighting is not the default. living happily and peacefully is the default. Thus, they call it spring.


Just some thoughts