Glorified Kickboxer

[couch]

So. I don't really get it. Can someone spell it out for me plain and simple?

Why are some WC folk called glorified kickboxers?

Is it because they don't practice WC exclusively?

Is it because when they spar, it looks like something like kickboxing?

Can someone define the slogan?

Cheers.

[Yoshiyahu]

I cant wait to hear some of responses...very good question!

I think sanjuro_ronin is the most qualified to answer that.

[Hardwork108]

I cant wait to hear some of responses...very good question!

I think sanjuro_ronin is the most qualified to answer that.

You don't know how right you are!

[Liddel]

My assumption was that it was because when people put big gloves on they tend not to be close range infighters but rather longer range looking 'kickboxers' yes.

People that dont fight how they or VT trains essentially.

I kinda agree with the term though, for those that do use actions completely foreign to VT in sparring. For example the use of the extremely round side kick of KB which is mechanically different from VT side kicks... Like the waist useage and contact point of the kick etc (IMO that is )

On the other hand IMO some dont deserve the term and are only painted with that brush by those who think VT doesnt have or cant operate in or at longer ranges. Those that think a parry is not Pak sao or Bi Jong cant be a head guard with gloves etc...

People that think in terms of shapes... its very open to interpritation somewhat like VT LOL.

DREW

[couch]

Great response, Drew.

Thanks, as usual!

[anerlich]

Couch, I have little time for people who don't do basic research before bothering the forum.

If you enter "Glorified Kickboxing" into Google, you will find out:

• Canada wanted to change the rules for UFC 97 to straight Glorified Kickboxing rules
• The UFC is being punished for the mistakes of a Glorified Kickboxing promoter
• Extreme Couture Long Island has classes in Glorified Kickboxing
• Liddell, Jardine, Griffin, jackson, Bonner, CroCrop, Mark Hunt, Fedor are all Glorified Kickboxers
• Some Krav Maga schools teach Glorified Kickboxing classes
• Lau Gar is very similar to Glorified Kickboxing
• There are related disciplines called Glorified Butt-Scooting and Glorified Tae Bo
• Chuck Norris's World Combat League hosted a Glorified Kickboxing Tournament in Tulsa in late 2007 / early 2008

There does seem to be a great deal of interest, though little knowledge, of this rapidly expanding 21st century martial art. While not wanting to cast aspertions on sanjuro_ronin's possible qualifications in the art, I feel that I have been called a "Glorified Kickboxer" often enough to claim some seniority in the art, and this feel I should do all I can to bring this much sopken about but little known martial art to the world. A short article will follow in the next day or two.

I may also write about Theoretical NonFighting, another fast growing 21st century martial art, for pretty much similar reasons.

That said, I would not want to discourage other scholars of these arts from making their own contributions, quite the reverse. After all, Glorified Kickboxing belongs to all humanity!

[couch]

Couch, I have little time for people who don't do basic research before bothering the forum.

That said, I would not want to discourage other scholars of these arts from making their own contributions, quite the reverse. After all, Glorified Kickboxing belongs to all humanity!

You cheeky bugger!!! LOL!!!

[couch]

Very good everyone. This simple question could turn into a good discussion.

So we could say, in summary:

1. Distance/position determines the tools to be used
2. Ruleset also determines the tools to be used

So a WC man who fights at a specific range (no different than a TKD'er trying to keep me at HIS/HER range) might resort to 'boxing/kickboxing' in fight/sparring match for a few reasons:
1. They are starting at a longer range to begin with and b/c of all the champion Chi Sau played, this 'extended range' isn't covered
2. They are scared. When the ish hits the fan, it's easier to NOT play the 'in your personal space' range.
3. (insert other personal opinions here)

Best.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Have you ever seen a clip of a WC guy fighting full contact that looks like a typical WC demo?

[t_niehoff]

Very good everyone. This simple question could turn into a good discussion.

So we could say, in summary:

1. Distance/position determines the tools to be used
2. Ruleset also determines the tools to be used

I think to just talk about tools ignores the "WHY" -- which is that when we are highly stressed/pressured and NEED to move at 100% (power/speed) our bodies are going to move in certain ways. It's like lifting a weight. If the weight is not too heavy, you can do it in all kinds of ways. You can "train" those ways using light weights. But when you go to lifit a weight close to your limit, you will find those ways won't work and that your body will need to lift it a certain way (the way powerlifters do -- why do powerlifters lift that way? becasue they have found from actually lifting weights at their max what works).

The ruleset typically determines the "range" -- boxing's rules don't permit clinch or ground.

So a WC man who fights at a specific range (no different than a TKD'er trying to keep me at HIS/HER range) might resort to 'boxing/kickboxing' in fight/sparring match for a few reasons:
1. They are starting at a longer range to begin with and b/c of all the champion Chi Sau played, this 'extended range' isn't covered
2. They are scared. When the ish hits the fan, it's easier to NOT play the 'in your personal space' range.
3. (insert other personal opinions here)

Best.

Or, they just haven't trained to use their WCK tools in fighting.

[stonecrusher69]

So. I don't really get it. Can someone spell it out for me plain and simple?

Why are some WC folk called glorified kickboxers?

Is it because they don't practice WC exclusively?

Is it because when they spar, it looks like something like kickboxing?

Can someone define the slogan?

Cheers.

I don't think the term " Glorified kick Boxers " is ment exclusively for WCers but anyone who trains in their particular art and can't fight with it,and rely more or less on what appears to be Kick Boxing.

[Phil Redmond]

I don't think the term " Glorified kick Boxers " is ment exclusively for WCers but anyone who trains in their particular art and can't fight with it,and rely more or less on what appears to be Kick Boxing.

You beat me to it.

[stonecrusher69]

You beat me to it.

Opps!!! sorry Phil

[Hardwork108]

I don't think the term " Glorified kick Boxers " is ment exclusively for WCers but anyone who trains in their particular art and can't fight with it,and rely more or less on what appears to be Kick Boxing.

Correct, except for the fact that many of the Glorified Kickboxers here in this forum claim to be kung fu fighting while hopping around like boxers and or TKD-ists and using basic kickboxing techniques. Some have even gone further and implied that this was some kind of an "improved" kung fu...lol.

Well I got to give it to this forum, it really is full of laughs.

[clam61]

i train sum nung WC and we hop around. we dont bob and weave like kickboxers but we hop around. so did sum nung.

Correct, except for the fact that many of the Glorified Kickboxers here in this forum claim to be kung fu fighting while hopping around like boxers and or TKD-ists and using basic kickboxing techniques. Some have even gone further and implied that this was some kind of an "improved" kung fu...lol.

Well I got to give it to this forum, it really is full of laughs.