GM of Hadaka Korosu
Regardless of what you may have heard, Boxers, of any type, don't really "bounce around".Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu
Even what some TKD guys do isn't really "bouncing around", though it sure looks like it.
Being on the balls of your feet, for lack of a better description, and such doesn't = "bouncing around".
Psalms 144:1
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He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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But it means NOT being in a KUNG FU ROOT!!!
Why is it so difficult to discuss very basic kung fu training aspects in this forum that is full of so called "experts"???!!!!
Wing Chun Fighter
Wow when I post bouncing you disagree...but all the post about hopping around you had no problem with...I Find that mystfiying? Maybe its just because I posted something useful to aid with future understanding...
Most of the time boxers use the term Dancing. But if you actually look at their feet they are slightly bouncing their weight up and down. Kinda of like they do when training with a jump rope...
Sanjuro do you agree the dancing boxers do is similiar to what they do with a jump rope. Only while in motions by Strafing to side, moving backwards,side stepping, circling around,or moving forward?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bounce[1]
Does anyone know about a boxers footwork?
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Are you asking me, a former Amateur and semi-pro boxer with a winning record that trained out of Sully's gym, one of the best ones in the country, if I know about boxing footwork?
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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And I believe he is still asking!Are you asking me, a former Amateur and semi-pro boxer with a winning record that trained out of Sully's gym, one of the best ones in the country, if I know about boxing footwork?
P.S. As far as your boxing record goes then, BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!
See Yoshiyahu, one needs to feed the egos of these Glorified Kickboxers otherwise they get depressed and sulk.
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based on my experience with both boxers and yi quan folks, at a high level of proficiency, the results are the same: many paths, one mountaintop
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Thank you!
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He didn't actually say they hopped around like a boxer.
He said there's hopping up and down in the Xingyi form (Which there is).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd3WC9514iw
Wing Chun Fighter
Yes please answer my question Mr. Glorified Kickboxing champion of the world Sannnnjuro Roninnnnn!Are you asking me, a former Amateur and semi-pro boxer with a winning record that trained out of Sully's gym, one of the best ones in the country, if I know about boxing footwork?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-BquHUw1KA
Wow finally a video I want the other guy to post one as well...I loved your video...I think Xing Yi is an excellent Art.
But in retrospect we were discussing how real Wing Chun hops around when fighting...
Do you agree a Wing Chun does hopping about an dancing when fighting in the streets?
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They may "hop" but they still have their kung fu roots. No roots, no kung fu!
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Yes, no one said that. If Yoshiyahu came to that conclusion, that would be a comprehension issue for him.He didn't actually say they hopped around like a boxer.
There is the issue of whether boxers actually "hop" as well, but that dsicussion would almost certainly go nowhere.
TWC's entry technique is often described by non-TWCers as a "hop", and techincally it is, though the intent is forward, not upward.
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Boxers do what they do and it works for them but it has nothing to do with kung fu roots.
Let us say that it is a rooted "hop"!
Wing Chun Fighter
So do you think Hopping,Bouncing and dancing is more advantageous than rooting in your footwork while fluenly flowing from one step to the other with out the up and down motion.
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and your point?
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Does it matter who posted the vid?
Anyone with a little bit of Xingyi experience could have told you the same thing.
The fact is: you didn't know that internal arts (that are supposed to be always rooted according to you) actually have some jumping and hopping IN THEIR FORMS. Chen Taiji has jumping kicks and twirls through the air as well.
You have a PRECONCEPTION about arts you haven't learnt from some articles or something. Then you and HW108 are making assessments about what's rooting and internal and just stupid judgments about how deep it all is. Yet your experience is pretty ****ing limited.
At least I've had some real lessons in Xingyi, Taiji, boxing etc.
What a stupid loaded question.
If I said "do you agree real WC guys do the robot dance and wave their chins in the air to get their heads knocked off?" would that be a real question?
You were denigrating the idea of "hopping around dancing" and accusing boxers and kickboxers of not having awesome rooting abilities for fighting. Wake the hell up. They probably do a lot more fighting than you do and hit pretty hard for their supposedly bad rooting abilities.
You can't conceive that it would work even though they prove their approach over and over. Hence you see it in a negative way and use negative terminology. You don't even know what they're doing or how it's done. You're assuming you know and frankly you completely mis-characterized them.
You're stuck following a dogma of your own creation. Even internal arts jump around in their forms but you've never known that.
Last edited by Edmund; 03-31-2009 at 06:51 PM.
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