我听见,我忘记;我看见,我记住;我做,我了解。
I hear, I forget; I see, I remember; I do, I understand.
You're right Graychuan the exchange was civil just pointless.
It's like you have a bag with a hole (bag meaning wing chun and hole meaning a hole made by good knife fighters to the system) what do you do...some people recommend ditching the bag for a new one or putting only big things in the bag that don't pass through the hole.
I think we should fix the hole!
You realize noone tried to came up with anyway to deal with such an attack...
我听见,我忘记;我看见,我记住;我做,我了解。
I hear, I forget; I see, I remember; I do, I understand.
The original question was about dealing with a knife welding attacker that is bent on killing you. Firstly, there are not really highly trained knife fighters left these days because most would have fallen afoul of the law by now. But even at that some people seem to have a natural ability to weld a knife. You can not take a knife from one of these people without being extremely committed yourself. In any case, unless you tend to hang out in places where you might be in danger of this sort of attack, it will happen while you are coming or going on the street. Hardly anyone carries sticks or swords with them when going out to eat or whatever. Most do not carry a pocket knife. A tiny little pocket knife with a razor sharp blade can quickly and easily kill you. How many people here have ever been cut or stabbed in an altercation? Something happens when suddenly confronted by such danger, and it will effect how you react to it. You get a huge rush, and this can make you stand and stare or it can make you get mean. Survival requires you to be as clear about what you are doing as you can get. There are things you can do to defend yourself, but the first thing you need to understand is that you are just about to be cut or stabbed. How badly depends on just how you deal with the situation. You should not confront or otherwise attempt to disarm the person, but should talk as you attempt to find a route of escape. If you are cornered and have no recourse you will have to do something or you are dead. Large coins can inflict serious injury to a face as well as a set of car keys. Your jacket or shirt can protect your body against a dull knife, but a stabber is not effected. The same jacket rolled around your hand and forearm can deflect or otherwise defend you against the blade while you seek a weapon or fight back with the other hand.
I have been stabbed a number of times. I have been slashed and cut a few more times. I have been stabbed in my back about an inch from my spine and in my left chest. I have had a large knife ran completely through my right hand, severing arteries and tendons, requiring surgery to fix. 2 stabbings were life threatening.
Let me give you an example of how I managed to defeat a knife attack once. I was coming out of a Kentucky Fried Chicken joint with both hands full. 2 individuals approached me and asked to borrow money. I told them I had no cash. One stood watch while the other called me a liar and started to go into my pockets. I pushed him away and he stabbed at me and drove the knife through my right hand. I could still use it although the thumb tandon seperated. I pulled off my shirt and rolled it around my left hand to ward off the knife. He struck again and the blade went through the shirt and cut my left hand, but I pushed it aside and grabbed his hand with my right hand. I could not hold his arm because my thumb was dead. So, I ran into him and started shoving him off balance and against a round pipe hand rail. I managed to secure his right hand and the knife and as I was up against him I got a big mouth full of his left cheek and bit down so hard that I bit out a huge chunk of meat. He dropped the knife and went to yelling and his buddy broke around the building. What I did next might not have been appropriate however. I kneed him in the groin several times and hammered him in the face. I then pulled him by his hair and lips over to the little yellow speed bump and laid him face down on it with his mouth wide open over it and stomped his head twice. The mall police came before I could leave, but was not arrested. The mugger was. I was then driven to the closest hospital to have my hand repaired. Later the guy tried to sue me for the mouth work since he said he was no longer trying to harm me when it occured. He was lucky that we were in a KFC parking lot and not behind the bowling alley.
When defending against a knife attack, there is nothing static that you are going to train for. It will have so many variables involved that you just need a general type of defence and then ad lib to the best of your ability. You just have to be ruthless at times. Remember, it is far better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6.
Last edited by Knifefighter; 03-23-2009 at 10:31 AM.
The most effective training ground for fighting with knives is prison.
LOL... meanwhile, he stood there waiting for you to take your shirt off and wrap it around your hand.I pushed him away and he stabbed at me and drove the knife through my right hand. I could still use it although the thumb tandon seperated. I pulled off my shirt and rolled it around my left hand to ward off the knife.
Sorry, real life blade attacks don't happen like that.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Last edited by Graychuan; 03-23-2009 at 03:48 PM.
我听见,我忘记;我看见,我记住;我做,我了解。
I hear, I forget; I see, I remember; I do, I understand.
我听见,我忘记;我看见,我记住;我做,我了解。
I hear, I forget; I see, I remember; I do, I understand.