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    The Immortal and the Black Whirlwind

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Dugas View Post
    The two axe guy is Li Kui.

    He is my favorite.

    I have a tattoo of him on my left thigh.

    Love the double axes.
    Prior to the popularity of Shui Hu Zhuan in the mid-Ming, Li Kui was often depicted as having a single long handled axe.
    Gene makes a good point, Ming and Qing era martial arts draw heavily on Shui Hu Zhuan.
    We have two excellent examples of plays from the Emperor's nephew Zhou Yuodun published in the early 1400's.

    We will rely on
    Our doubled fists of iron,
    Our single lance
    That can defeat spirits and pulverize ghosts,
    And our one axe that
    Calls up the moon and raises storms!
    -Zhu Youdun (1433)

    I wrote a short article on Li Kui as he relates to Praying Mantis Kungfu

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPJ View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QO2E...eature=related

    which one is your favorite?

    if any?

    mine is Lin Chong.

    he was the dude that wielded the long spear very well.

    The staff is the emperor of all weapons.

    The spear is the king of all weapons.

    As a long distance weapon, the spear is the standard issue of the infantry before guns arrived.

    As such, if we are serious about our kung fu training, we have to pick up our staff or spear and drill it away.

    Lin Chong was the head military instructor for emperor's palace garrison army or forbidden army.

    Lin also defeated everyone on the Liang mountain with his spear.

    I totally agreed with the author of water margin that the spear was depicted as the best weapon of all weapons.

    What is your favorite kung fu weapon ?

    That is the question.


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    Our winners are announced!

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    Wu Song too vulgar

    As much as I idolize Wu Song, this is too vulgar for a mall. Imagine trying to explain that to your kids.
    Sculpture based on classic Chinese novel removed after being deemed 'too vulgar'



    A sculpture showing Wu Song, a fictional character in the classic Chinese novel The Water Margin, killing his sister-in-law Pan Jinlian has been removed from an shopping mall in Shenyang after people complained that it was 'too vulgar'.



    The piece was created by renowned artist Li Zhanxiang, but the conflicted message of the work along with its direct depiction of sexuality raised a lot of questions from patrons of the upscale mall.

    The piece is based on a plot line of The Water Margin. In the story, Pan Jinlian married Wu Song's brother, Wu Dalang, but later cheated on him with Xi Menqing. Wu Song then killed Pan Jinlian to get revenge.

    One netizens said that "It's hard to look at it without any mosaic."

    "This is too erotic," another said. "This is just too vulgar."

    The influx of complaints resulted in staff taking the sculpture down.

    By Isabel Quan
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    Wu Song Da Hu.

    Wu Song fought with a tiger when he was drunk.

    This is my favorite story.

    Do not like the statue at all.

    There are many better ways to depict love affairs and separation between a guy and a girl.



    the hip-hop way.

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    Latina way.

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    youtube "water margin sex stories"


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    Quote Originally Posted by SPJ View Post
    Lin also defeated everyone on the Liang mountain with his spear.

    liang mountain <> liangshan ?! i went there last year didn't know there was a book about it
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    that book actually sounds interesting to read! any recommended translations of it?

    found this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Margin...e+water+margin ?

    (no i didn't youtube water margin sex stories but thanks for bringing up the thread )
    I guess we are who we are

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    Not only the mountain is with good terrain for defense.

    Liang Shan Shui Po.

    The water is with tall plants. It is also a good place to hide and attack Song's army.

    Song's army was not good at fight on the water.

    Many soldiers did not know how to swim or dive.

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    A sweet remembrance

    I took this exact same photo - it's from one of the eaves in the covered walkways in the Summer Palace.


    VANESSA HUA: ON THE BANNED CHINESE NOVEL MY FATHER LOVED IN HIS YOUTH

    INSIDE THE ROLLICKING, POLITICAL WORLD OF THE WATER MARGIN
    August 27, 2018 By Vanessa Hua



    The last time I sat down to dinner with my father, we ate Chinese take-out: fish simmered in rice wine, and mala beef, swimming in an oily, numbing and spicy sauce. He told me about his favorite book from childhood, The Water Margin: Outlaws of the Marsh.

    “The stories turned us wild,” he said, his matter-of-fact tone belying this intriguing hint of his past. After the book was banned by his teachers, he and his friends had secretly passed around the offending tales, sharing a single ragged copy of a novel. Considered one of the four great classic novels of Chinese literature, I’d heard about The Water Margin before, but had never read it.

    After our trip, I picked up a copy of The Water Margin, thick as a brick, and discovered a bandit world, gory and compelling. Sword-fighting! Bodies ground into meat buns! Oaths! The author of The Water Margin drew upon folk tales about a 12th-century band of brothers who stand up against a corrupt government. I discovered that The Water Margin was as timeless as political and social turmoil in the Middle Kingdom, providing insight into Chinese culture and history. But it’s also entertaining, rollicking and fast-paced, heavy on plot and light on interiority. There were no MFA moments, no meditations on sunshine or flashbacks to trauma from childhood. Instead, I galloped along with the fat, drunken monk Lu Da, who protects the honor of women; Grandma Wang who arranges an affair between a married beauty and a wealthy playboy; and the hero Wu Song, who wrestles a tiger terrorizing the local populace. Chairman Mao, who also loved The Water Margin, must have fancied himself a rebel sprung from its pages, and maybe, so too, my father.

    While reading, I tried to imagine my father and his wide-eye friends, each taking a turn at the page, at a chapter, while the others impatiently waited. The stories seeping into their games and into their dreams.

    Did these tales explain in part why my father sailed on a cargo ship, bound for America to attend graduate school and make his fortune? Why he taught himself how to cross-country ski, once gliding off the front step of the apartment building in Chicago after a heavy storm? Why he sailed on the San Francisco Bay on his boat that he dubbed the Six Happiness, in honor of the members of our family? Why he loved the open road, and all the possibilities it offered?

    At 63, my father was diagnosed with Parkinson’s. In the decade that followed, his world closed in. His gait turned slow and uncertain and when his medication wore off every few hours, his speech slurred and his legs froze. Sometimes he ate meals in silence, weary and hunched over his bowl.

    But on our last night together, he was expansive. I knew him as my earnest father, a structural engineer who designed our house in the suburbs east of San Francisco, patient and meticulous, whose confidence in me encouraged me to pursue the most impossible dreams—but I wanted to learn about his youth, when the world had beckoned with promise.

    Did he first read the novel as a child during the war in China, when his family moved every few months ahead of the Japanese invader? Or as a teenager, after his family fled to Taiwan—forced into exile like the novel’s bandits—when the Communists came to power in 1949? The more I read, the more my questions multiplied. Who were your favorite characters? What kind of pranks did you pull, inspired by this band of rebels?

    “After the book was banned by his teachers, he and his friends had secretly passed around the offending tales, sharing a single ragged copy of a novel.
    I never had a chance to ask. A week after our dinner, my father fell and hit his head. Within hours, he slipped unconscious and died three days later. So many questions, I’d never be able to ask. So many stories, he could never tell me or my twin sons.

    At the time of his death, I had only read a few chapters of The Water Margin, and then I put the novel away, haunted by the loss of my father. A year and a half passed, and as my debut novel, A River of Stars, started taking shape, I returned to The Water Margin for inspiration.

    Like me, my father must have been captivated by the tales of heroism, gasping with laughter at the earthy humor. “What a nice piece of meat has fallen into a dog’s mouth”—to describe a village belle married to an ugly man—or the fate of a bullying butcher beaten to death. “The people tried to revive the body for half a day without success—for alas he was quite dead.”

    In my grief, I found comfort in the pages, which felt akin to returning to the streets where my father had once been. I listened for the echoes of his footsteps and searched for what might have stirred his boyish imagination and shaped what followed in his life, and mine.

    I’ll never know for certain what influence The Water Margin had on him. But in my fiction, The Water Margin led me to experiment with exaggeration, with the fantastic and with saucy humor. I’ve revived ancient archetypes and made the characters my own: feisty Scarlett Chen, barters and schemes to make a life herself, her baby, and her makeshift family in San Francisco’s Chinatown. Mama Fang, the wheeler dealer and entrepreneur, always knows how to take a cut of her own.

    In the charming forward of The Water Margin, the author, Shi Nai’an, tells us that he wrote the novel for his own pleasure, while sitting outside near a bamboo fence or at dawn on his couch. “Alas! Life is so short I do not even know what the reader thinks about it, but I still shall be satisfied if a few of my friends will read it and be interested.”

    Writers today still grapple with questions of audience and of posterity, though nowadays, we must also contend with likes and retweets and shares, online reviews, and other ways in which readers can tell us exactly what they think.

    But it’s my father’s opinion—my father’s pride—I ache for most. We’ll never have a one-on-one book club, but I might with my twins. In my son born first, my father’s broad smile and Buddha’s ears have been reborn. The twin who arrived 26 minutes later, shares my father’s tinkering engineer’s mind.

    My husband and I have read to them, ever since they were squirming infants, and in time, they began to flip the pages by themselves. Now they spend hours at the library, carrying over books that we take turns reading aloud. They love to read about colossal squid, about the planets, and anything to do with fighting, the adventures of Pokémon, the latter-day descendants of the bandit-heroes of yore.

    The twins, who are entering the second grade this fall, aren’t ready yet for The Water Margin, but someday after Harry Potter, after The Hobbit, we’ll begin the novel that inspired their grandfather, peasant uprisings, student rebellions, and generations of readers to come.
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    Thanks for sharing, ghostexorcist

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    Water Margin on Netflix

    Not sure how this got by me for a month but it'll need its own indie thread at some point.

    ‘Kingdom’ Director Shinsuke Sato To Direct ‘Water Margin’ For Netflix; ‘Deepwater Horizon’ Scribe Matt Sand Penning Script
    By Justin Kroll
    Senior Film Reporter
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    November 12, 2020 10:00am

    WME
    EXCLUSIVE: After directing one of Japan’s biggest box-office hits of 2019, Kingdom Shinsuke Sato has found his first major domestic film as Netflix has set him to direct the action-adventure saga Water Margin. Matt Sand, who penned the Mark Wahlberg thriller Deepwater Horizon, is writing the script.

    Eric Newman and Bryan Unkeless for Screen Arcade are producing. Scott Morgan for Screen Arcade is exec producing.

    The film is a futuristic take on one of the great classical novels of Chinese literature, The Water Margin is an epic action-adventure saga filled with glory, romance, and intrigue. The story explores timely questions about loyalty, leadership, and our duty to take on society’s problems no matter the personal cost.

    Sato has been on the radar of studio execs for some time after his critically acclaimed work on Bleach and Kingdom. While this marks Sato’s first major film for Netflix, he already had a strong partnership with the studio after working on the series Alice in Borderland which premieres on December 10th.

    The Water Margin is the latest project for Newman and Unkeless at Netflix. Together they produced Bright starring Will Smith.

    Under Screen Arcade’s first look they produced the recent Jamie Foxx hit action movie Project Power, and will produce the upcoming Escape from Spiderhead starring Chris Hemsworth, Miles Teller and Jurnee Smollet; and Bright 2.

    Newman has an overall deal at Netflix and is EP, and served as showrunner on the hit series’ Narcos and Narcos: Mexico.

    Sato is repped by WME and Grandview and Sand is repped by Verve, Circle of Confusion and Gang, Tyre and Ramer. Newman is CAA.
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