Southern Similarities

[Hendrik]

I have given out more information about my background than you have so you can stick your rank up your arse. There's a reason why it's called "rank". It's means that it stinks.

oh, your back ground very impressive.

Rank is a different story though, rank is where were you located say under Wong Fei-Hung or Iron bridge three's family tree and who certified you. Otherwise, who knows if you learn a legitimate stuffs?

Usual TCMA right?

But since you are only willing to issue proclamations and have never actually named specifics, you are really not in a position to be aruging this point either.

At least I provided very specific examples of the overlap and what's more, experienced practictioners of the style agree with my descriptions of what they do.

To many you you me me, argue...., it is all ego isnt it?

Ok, you want to be know it all?
sure, feel free.

This is something you have not yet proven yourself capable of. You only fight with straw men.

I am here to enjoy your ideas, not spending time to prove anything.

In order to have a rational debate you must first manage to at least roughly paraphrase the opposing point of view in a way that those who hold that point of view can agree on.

Debate is wasting too much energy.


Since you know it all, why dont you advise us on


1, what is the advance attainment in Hung gar Iron Wire Set training?
2, What is the advance attainment in Wing Chun SLT set training?


Your professional input is highly appreciate!

I certainly can learn from you.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Hendrik, I learned my gung fu from my father. I had 5 brothers and 2 sisters, all gung fu fighters. My father and 2 oldest brothers were my teachers. I have no idea of lineage, but know that it was widely taught in the Chinese Imperial Army before 1900. He called it Hung Fa, and at times Wing Chun. He told me that it came from a man by the name of Hung. I have no Hung Fa belt rankings. I can not do the knives or the pole, but my gung fu is strong. I do have 4 degrees of black belt in traditional Japanese Jujitsu.
Being Chinese and from what I have picked up from elders, Chinese history is just loaded with fable and myth. What they do not know they make up. I have seen it first hand.

[Hendrik]

Hendrik, I learned my gung fu from my father. I had 5 brothers and 2 sisters, all gung fu fighters. My father and 2 oldest brothers were my teachers. I have no idea of lineage, but know that it was widely taught in the Chinese Imperial Army before 1900. He called it Hung Fa, and at times Wing Chun. He told me that it came from a man by the name of Hung. I have no Hung Fa belt rankings. I can not do the knives or the pole, but my gung fu is strong. I do have 4 degrees of black belt in traditional Japanese Jujitsu.

Being Chinese and from what I have picked up from elders, Chinese history is just loaded with fable and myth. What they do not know they make up. I have seen it first hand.

Lee,

Thank you and appreciate for your sharing.

Do you do Siu Lin Tao as in WCK? Please share more about this style and also your father's history that is very interesting. Which part of china you original from?

Chinese ranges from +100 to -100. In the history of China, there are those who will do anything just to cover up for themself. Such as those sell fake medicine.

There also those who will die to tell the truth.
Such as the Historian Sze Ma Cian who dont buy the emperor's brute force torture and im prison and continous to write the truth.



Best Regards
Hendrik

[Eric Olson]

I've never practiced Wing Chun so I can't really comment on it, but I have practiced Hung Gar and Choy Lay Fut (and learned Choy Lay Fut from a Hung Gar practitioner!). Even though Hung Gar has longer range techniques (supposedly inherited from Lama Pai) I can tell you that they are not executed as "long" as in CLF. I realized this when I started taking CLF from a CLF specialist. CLF is supposed to be executed really long and loose.

In addition, according to my old sifu, CLF was originally designed to fight against short range Southern styles like Hung Gar. This explains the long techniques and the angular footwork. Based on my experience, the strategy in Hung Gar is very direct with footwork that follows a more or less straight line. CLF is the opposite, always stepping off the opponents "line" and trying to throw a haymaker from an off angle....nothing direct about it.

It's interesting to see how martial arts evolve. One style or strategy becomes popular so another style develops to counter it...and on...and on...and on......

EO

[Firehawk4]

I wonder if your Hung Fa Wing Chun is related to Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun there founder was Hung Gun Biu maybe your founder named Hung is the same person . What does your Wing Chun look like such as Yip Man , Yuen Kay San or Pan Nam Wing Chun what would you say it is close to ?

[Firehawk4]

You guys have to understand that Hendrik speeks about 4 languages . Although Hendrick is a difficult person to understand or get information from .

[Hendrik]

serious question, is he "arrogant" or maybe his command of English is a little off?

There is a big different between these right?

[Hendrik]

I've never practiced Wing Chun so I can't really comment on it, but I have practiced Hung Gar and Choy Lay Fut (and learned Choy Lay Fut from a Hung Gar practitioner!). Even though Hung Gar has longer range techniques (supposedly inherited from Lama Pai) I can tell you that they are not executed as "long" as in CLF. I realized this when I started taking CLF from a CLF specialist. CLF is supposed to be executed really long and loose.

In addition, according to my old sifu, CLF was originally designed to fight against short range Southern styles like Hung Gar. This explains the long techniques and the angular footwork. Based on my experience, the strategy in Hung Gar is very direct with footwork that follows a more or less straight line. CLF is the opposite, always stepping off the opponents "line" and trying to throw a haymaker from an off angle....nothing direct about it.

It's interesting to see how martial arts evolve. One style or strategy becomes popular so another style develops to counter it...and on...and on...and on......

EO

1,
Exactly, the key word is "specialist".

In Chinese, it is said, " the specialist wave his hand, the other specialist will know is it or is it not."



2, you have made an excellent point of the CLF and Hung Gar.

As for WCK, the Kuen Kuit said " Using get away from the opponents' path as entering, thus, short technics broken the long technics "

A different way...

[Hendrik]

Although Hendrick is a difficult person to understand or get information from .

That depend on who and how they communicate with me.

[Violent Designs]

I asked him that on the last thread. I asked if he was an ESL learner and he just responded with more fortune cookies. Stuff like his consistent mis-use of plural vs. singular nouns smells like native Chinese speaker to me but if he has a hard time understanding a point then rather than condescending he should explain that he can't quite understand and ask for clarification.

It reads like fake Chinglish - e.g. purposely misspelled words, incorrect grammar, etc. just to make himself sound more "Chinese."

[lkfmdc]

It reads like fake Chinglish - e.g. purposely misspelled words, incorrect grammar, etc. just to make himself sound more "Chinese."

I honestly haven't paid much attention, but I can say that unfortunately some people on here in the past HAVE tried to sound Chinese when they were not

[Hendrik]

It reads like fake Chinglish - e.g. purposely misspelled words, incorrect grammar, etc. just to make himself sound more "Chinese."

So, both omarthefish and you are chinese?

[Hendrik]

I honestly haven't paid much attention,

I agree with you, stay focus on the topic.

[SIFU RON]

I have a question for the expert in Hung Gar. Is all the sifus in the following Youtube clip good in what they are practiced? high standard Hung Gar?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJU8X...om=PL&index=27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE-KH...aynext_from=PL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDTniv8PuW0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPwU1A0N5GM

Hung Ga Iron Wire - Chi Chi Ling 2000 - a very good one, this guy is strong, Thanks for this one.

[omarthefish]

I'm starting to agree with Violent.

Not so sure Hendrik is even Chinese anymore. I'm gonna have to start backwards engineering his grammatical mistakes to see if they are consistent with Chinese grammar. Things like:

Using get away from the opponents' path as entering, thus, short technics broken the long technics

The grammar is all messed up but it doesn't really match Chinese grammar either.

Hendrik also keeps changing his mind between wether lineage is important of weather info should stand on it's own. When questioned about his own background he spits out a fortuen cookie about "only trainings speak true meaning" but when I challenge him on ideas he goes off about lineage and asks where my name is in Guangzhou.

He's pure double speak and is about 3 or 4 more posts away from going onto my ignore list.