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    Question for Chinese speakers,

    in the words Tai, Kit, and Kune, what might the word "Kit" mean?

    Is this a Mandarin, Cantonese or Hakka word?

    The Translation, I am told is "Grand Snake Fist", but I am not sure that is right.
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    it is cantonese for 太极拳

    cantonese: taai-gihk-kyùhn
    mandarin: tàijíquán

    太 (taai, tài) = very, too, much, big, extreme, etc..
    极 (gihk, jí) = extreme, utmost, ultimate, furthest, etc..
    拳 (kyùhn, quán) = fist, (form of) boxing.

    "taiji boxing", the form of boxing based on the taiji symbol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal Dragon View Post
    Question for Chinese speakers,

    in the words Tai, Kit, and Kune, what might the word "Kit" mean?

    Is this a Mandarin, Cantonese or Hakka word?

    The Translation, I am told is "Grand Snake Fist", but I am not sure that is right.
    snake is 蛇.

    mandarin: shé
    cantonese: sèh
    hakkanese: sa

    there is no "kit" in mandarin, and no "kit" means snake in cantonese or hakkanese.

    however, "kit" is hakkanese for 极 as posted above in "taijiquan", but kyùhn in cantonese is more like "kien" (almost like "can" with a "y", "kyan") in hakkanese (dont know how to romanize hakkanese).

    so i'm going to stick with it being cantonese for 太极拳 (canto.: taai-gihk-kyùhn, mand.: tàijíquán, hakka.: tai-kit-kien), just with improper romanization.. and apparently, translation.

    hard to be certain without a character.
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    So Tai Kit Kune is Hakka for Tai Chi Quan?
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    Here is a web site that teaches the style, can you guys read the Symbols?

    http://www.cobrakai-kungfu.net/Grandmaster.html
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    well, since "kune" is the pronunciation of 拳 in cantonese, properly romanized in the yale system as kyùhn, i'm going to assume its cantonese rather than hakkanese, because 拳 in hakkanese is pronounce kien (closer to "can", rather than "coon").

    because kune is improperly romanized, i would assume that "kit" is also an improper romanization of 极 in cantonese, which should be gihk, and not hakkanese. otherwise they wouldnt write "kune" with that "oo" sound if it were hakkanese.

    basically, as far as i can estimate, it is cantonese for 太极拳.

    mandarin: (hanyu pinyin) tàijíquán, (wade-giles) t'ai4 chi2 ch'üan2
    cantonese: (yale) taai-gihk-kyùhn, (jyutping) taai3 gik6 kyun4
    hakkanese: tai kit kien

    no idea where a translation of "snake" could come from. would be quickly solved if we had a character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal Dragon View Post
    Here is a web site that teaches the style, can you guys read the Symbols?

    http://www.cobrakai-kungfu.net/Grandmaster.html
    yes, the characters are 蛇形拳, "snake-shaped boxing". 蛇形 means coiled like a snake, in snake form.

    however, there is no "tai" and no "kit";

    mandarin: shéxíngquán
    cantonese: sèh-yìhng-kyùhn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal Dragon View Post
    Here is a web site that teaches the style, can you guys read the Symbols?

    http://www.cobrakai-kungfu.net/Grandmaster.html
    i have no idea how he get tai kit to ground snake or grand snake or wutever snake
    lol....
    sound bogus

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    Why are you shocked at the class schedule?
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    In "Cobra Kai", could the "Kai" be the same a Pai, like family?
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    This is another of thier schools.

    Does anyone see anything that can be made sense of?
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    It says the style was created by Cheung Sam Fung in 206 BC? Is that Cantonese for Chang Zhang Feng, fabled founder of taijiquan?
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    If it is indeed...

    Tai Chi Chuan/ Tai Ji Quan ,could it be they call it Grand Snake Style and have left out the Crane aspect??? That is if you believe that Tai Chi was based on the fight between the snake and crane.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal Dragon View Post
    Why are you shocked at the class schedule?
    because of the ratio of total training time to monthly price. its a bit steep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Royal Dragon View Post
    In "Cobra Kai", could the "Kai" be the same a Pai, like family?
    not if they are sticking with chinese dialects. its basically the same in cantonese; pāai. (mandarin: pài)

    Quote Originally Posted by Royal Dragon View Post
    It says the style was created by Cheung Sam Fung in 206 BC? Is that Cantonese for Chang Zhang Feng, fabled founder of taijiquan?
    you mean zhang sanfeng? thats what it appears to be, which fits with the "tai kit kune" actually being an improper romanization of taijiquan in cantonese. but that date would be off.

    Quote Originally Posted by tattooedmonk View Post
    Tai Chi Chuan/ Tai Ji Quan ,could it be they call it Grand Snake Style and have left out the Crane aspect??? That is if you believe that Tai Chi was based on the fight between the snake and crane.......
    if they are going with the fabled founder of taijiquan, zhang sanfeng, then possibly.

    as far as i can tell, their "tai kit kune" is an attempt to transliterate taijiquan in cantonese.

    and the founder as "cheung sam fung" is an attempt to transliterate zhang sanfeng's name in cantonese.

    and......

    "cobra kai", i thought was the name of the dojo in the movie "karate kid"....
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