Boxing

**Nichiren** · 01-09-2002, 01:04 PM

fmann; Hocks that don't connect with the knuckles are illegal and you will get warned and eventually disscualified during a fight.

**GunnedDownAtrocity** · 01-09-2002, 01:51 PM

i prefer the backfist to hammerfist.

i personally find it easier to settle and twist into the strike with my fist verticle .. . just a matter of opinion though.

**DelicateSound** · 01-09-2002, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Shooter
What Ford Perfect said....Frazier comes to mind as someone who used the leaping hook to good effect.

Joe Frazier kicked butt. Ever see the punch Ali took off him? Where he got up after 3 secs?

Ali is my hero.

**shaolinboxer** · 01-09-2002, 02:15 PM

It is my understanding that backfist are illegal due to the lack of padding on the top of the glove.

Can anyone confirm this?

**fmann** · 01-09-2002, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Nichiren
fmann; Hocks that don't connect with the knuckles are illegal and you will get warned and eventually disscualified during a fight.

but i'm saying in the heat of a fight, they may not be noticed.

**myosimka** · 01-09-2002, 02:54 PM

Maybe you can explain to me the difference between a right cross and a reverse punch in a left lead stance. We use the term interchangeably.

**GunnedDownAtrocity** · 01-09-2002, 02:56 PM

reverse punch snaps out straight like a jab . .. cross cuts through the target at an angle. i guess a cross would kinda be like the inbetween of a jab and a hook.

**SevenStar** · 01-10-2002, 04:51 AM

the reverse punch is more comparable to the straight right than it is to the cross.

**scotty1** · 01-10-2002, 05:50 AM

So a straight right is not a cross?
I thought a cross was just a powerful straight right, kind of ****ed by the left jab?

Can someone explain then - cross
straight right/reverse punch

**GunnedDownAtrocity** · 01-10-2002, 07:58 AM

i thought i did.

the jab is going to hit the guy in the nose and send the energy through the back of his head.

the cross is going to hit the guy in the cheak and send energy through his face to the other side of his cheak.

that's the most concise way i can think of to explain the difference right now.

**GunnedDownAtrocity** · 01-10-2002, 07:59 AM

i would think that crosses are better setups for uppercuts as it can turn the opponents head a little, but im no boxer.

**scotty1** · 01-10-2002, 09:29 AM

Wouldn't a shot that sent the energy from one cheek to the other ie.sideways have to hit from the side ie. a hook or hooked cross?

I thought that a cross was a straight power punch.

**fa_jing** · 01-10-2002, 09:55 AM

Hmm, I always wondered about this too. I think I know what a cross is, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Stand in a boxers' stance, with your elbows down. Let's take the lead hand, vertical fist. A staight lead (jab) goes straight out. A lead hook takes a curved path, making impact with the side of the opponents head. Another punch, which I think is the cross, is if the opponents head is already on the inside of your lead, then you just turn your forearm towards horizontal and strike to the side, lifting slightly the elbow and driving your now horizontal fist into the opponent's face. This is different from the other punches in that now your shoulder is not behind the punch at the moment of impact. Also, your vertical fist has become a horizontal fist, without twisting the wrist-the rotation takes place at your shoulder joint. I think this punch is pretty useful, I've used it in sparring and I see it sometimes in boxing. I usually do this with the lead arm, but one could also throw this punch with the rear. So, is this a cross, if not then what's this punch called?
-FJ

**SevenStar** · 01-11-2002, 11:03 AM

An added benefit of the cross is that your shoulder is raised, protecting your chin from a counter by your opponent.

**Water Dragon** · 01-11-2002, 12:10 PM

The right cross begins in a very similar fashion to a Northern Style Gong Fu punch. The front hip joint will close which creates a horizontal force vector. From the perspective of the person throwing the punch, the energy travels from right to left. At the same time, The rear foot grinds off the ball of the foot. This is how the boxer puts his weight into the punch, it adds a back to front vector to the punch. When we combine the two vectors, we get a spiraling energy. Pretty much a Gong Fu punch in principle. The means are slightly different, but the ends are the same.

To me, the big difference is in what the arm is doing. In my punch, the arm is “flung out” by the rotation of the body and lands with a “thud”. It produces less penetration than the cross, but more of an explosive feeling in the punchee’s body. Closer to a black jack. Hence, it is important in CMA to keep the elbow down.

In a right cross, the body creates an additional spiral in the body. The arm is “launched” in a similar manner to my Taiji punch, as the arm comes out, it begins to spiral. The elbow turns from a bottom down to a bottom up position. At the end of a right cross, the thumb is usually pointing down. What makes the cross unique is this spiral in the arm movement. It gives the punch less of an explosive feel, but increases penetration. To me, a solid right cross feels more like getting hit with a bat than a black jack.

Maybe we have a boxer who could get into it more?

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