RIP David Carradine

[taai gihk yahn]

two seconds after i am dead i won't give a rats a$$ what people are saying or not saying about me...

of course, while still alive, I know that you chew yourself raw when they say something bad about you, right?

anyway, you are 100% correct: when we are gone, what is left to cling to? nothing; we should, instead of projecting about some supposed after-life, use the reality of what is death as a guide for living! live / practice as if our hair was on fire; react to revilement as if one were a corpse! live unabashedly (can I get a yaaaay Ch'an!)

[uki]

as for "disrespecting" the dead - why is ok to reasonably critique someone while he was alive, but now that he's not, it's not ok? that would as logical as saying that someone who was a great CMA-ist while he was alive, but now that he's passed, you can say that he sucked ; truth is truth, alive or dead; if someone wants to be "respected" once they have passed, especially if they base their public persona on it, then they should act in a manner that warrants respect during their life; certainly, it is sad for his family / friends that he is gone, but none of us are his family / friends - we are talking about his public persona, which is what we all knew; and why, now that he is passed, suddenly an honest critique of his public persona is "off limits" is just absurd;

ouch!! the truth is hot to those with cold hands.

[golden arhat]

"found the 72-year-old naked in a wardrobe with a cord around his neck a and other parts of his body

wahts stopping them from saying arms legs unless they dont want to mention a certain appendage.......

[uki]

of course, while still alive, I know that you chew yourself raw when they say something bad about you, right?

what is bad?

anyway, you are 100% correct: when we are gone, what is left to cling to? nothing; we should, instead of projecting about some supposed after-life, use the reality of what is death as a guide for living! live / practice as if our hair was on fire; react to revilement as if one were a corpse! live unabashedly (can I get a yaaaay Ch'an!)

HO-HA!

[golden arhat]

I agree except with the part about his role in The Silent Flute. Again taking credit for not only the role, but in Bruce Lee's own story and idea. There is a special place in h3ll for people like him. He will be joined by others of his ilk, such as Roger Moore.

leave moore alone! or any other bonds for that matter
apart from timothy dalton
we do not speak kindly of him

[lkfmdc]

I tire if your attitudes

GREAT! ------> the closet is that way, make sure the rope is thick!

I dont care what you Morons think or say

but yet you rant and rave for pages in response

dude, you are a pathetic loser and wannabe... do the world a favor, go to the closet, NOW!

[GeneChing]

I'm going to be in transit tonight, so I won't be able to watch the news...
Meanwhile, you all should chill. This is a stupid place to have a flame war. Since it's a pop thread, it gets more attention and many of you are outing yourselves as asses. That will really suck if the powers that be here see it.

Carradine's death follows Zen-like turnabout
By DAVID GERMAIN AP Movie Writer
Posted: 06/04/2009 02:52:48 PM PDT
Updated: 06/04/2009 04:35:28 PM PDT

LOS ANGELES—Contrast marked the life of David Carradine, who became a star playing the austere and virtuous warrior Caine on TV's "Kung Fu" even as his personal life was an excess of alcohol and drugs.

After decades as a virtual has-been toiling on the Hollywood fringes, Carradine cleaned himself up, copped a holistic outlook similar to Caine's and revived his career in the "Kill Bill" movies, playing the ruthless patriarch of a den of killers who was a mirror image of his "Kung Fu" character.

Carradine, 72, was found dead Thursday in his luxury hotel room in Thailand, where he had just begun filming a movie. Police said Carradine was found hanged in the closet. It was unclear whether the death was an accident or suicide.

"Endless Highway," Carradine's 1995 autobiography, opens with the actor recounting how he tried to hang himself at age 5 by jumping off the bumper of the family Duesenberg. Carradine notes that his father, actor John Carradine, saved him, then confiscated his comic-book collection and burned it.

Tiffany Smith, one of the actor's managers, said she and her colleagues doubted reports that Carradine killed himself.

"All we can say is, we know David would never have committed suicide. We're just waiting for them to finish the investigation and find out what really happened," Smith said. "He really appreciated everything life has to give...that's not something David would ever do to himself."

Carradine had flow to Thailand last week and began work on "Stretch" two days before his death, Smith said. He had several other projects lined up after "Stretch," she said.

The notion of suicide was at odds with the seemingly Zen-like frame of mind Carradine had reached after his early years as a boozer and acid tripper.

"That was the biggest shock for me, actually, even more than that he had passed. It didn't make sense," said Frank Krueger, who stars in "Break," a hit man thriller that was one of the last movies Carradine completed. Carradine "had a very strong outlook, very positive. He was looking forward to working. Very generous of spirit. It's not something that I would think would happen at all."

A martial-arts practitioner himself, Krueger said that in real life, Carradine had come to embody the inner peace and selflessness of Caine.

At the premiere of "Break" a month ago, Carradine was introduced to an actor and magician who remarked that he had never been to Hollywood's Magic Castle, a famed private club for magic enthusiasts, Krueger said. Carradine took the man there the next day, Krueger said.

"Complete stranger, actor, fellow artist, and he just thought he should," Krueger said. "So he took him himself, and they spent the night, which I think is a fantastic story. Sort of an example of where David was, the kind of person he was."

"He does definitely have that kind of, that higher state of mind. Obviously, he's lived a heck of a life, and so looking back, I'm sure he's done whatever kind of reflection he's done and made changes to his life," said "Break" director Marc Clebanoff. "He definitely does have that Zen-like quality to him."

It was quite a difference from the picture Carradine painted of himself in the old days. In a 2004 interview with The Associated Press, Carradine talked candidly about his wild ways, saying he had not taken a drink since 1996 but that he had experimented with "a lot of psychotropic drugs" decades earlier.

He said he gave up alcohol because "I didn't like the way I looked for one thing. You're kind of out of control emotionally when you drink that much. I was quicker to anger."

Carradine's death came five years after Quentin Tarantino revived Carradine's professional prospects with the title role in "Kill Bill—Vol. 1" and "Kill Bill—Vol. 2." Carradine spoke hopefully then of Hollywood doors reopening for him the way Tarantino's "Pulp Fiction" resuscitated the career of John Travolta.

"There isn't anything that Anthony Hopkins or Clint Eastwood or Sean Connery or any of those old guys are doing that I couldn't do," Carradine said at the time. "All that was ever required was somebody with Quentin's courage to take and put me in the spotlight."

Carradine's career resurgence was short-lived as he fell back into obscure action flicks such as "Treasure Raiders" and "How to Rob a Bank," the sort of productions to which he had been relegated through much of the 1980s and '90s.

Since "Kill Bill," Carradine's highest-profile roles included this year's action sequel "Crank: High Voltage" and the martial-arts tale "Kung Fu Killer," whose title traded on his Caine fame and reunited him with "Kill Bill" co-star Daryl Hannah.

While Carradine's professional life was book-ended with two wildly dissimilar roles, he made a deep and lasting impression on colleagues.

"David was one of the first actors I ever worked with when I started my career and the closest person to a brother that I ever had in my life," said Michael Madsen, who played Budd, brother to Carradine's Bill, in the "Kill Bill" films. "It is shocking to me that he is no longer with us."

"I have so many great memories of David that I wouldn't even know where to begin. He has a very special place in my heart," said Madsen, who worked alongside Carradine in about half a dozen movies since "Kill Bill," including "Break."

"Kill Bill—Vol. 2" earned Carradine a Golden Globe nomination, but the movies never resulted in the sort of career do-over he had hoped for. Still, he worked constantly, adding dozens of movie and TV credits to the resume of more than 100 films that came before.

In that regard, Carradine had a similar work ethic to his father, whose career as a character actor encompassed hundreds of film roles.

Carradine was part of an extended acting family, which included half-brother Keith and niece Martha Plimpton.

Leaving "Kung Fu" after three seasons, Carradine landed some choice roles with major directors, including leads in Hal Ashby's Woody Guthrie film biography "Bound for Glory" and Ingmar Bergman's "The Serpent's Egg."

Carradine earlier had starred in Martin Scorsese's "Boxcar Bertha," and he had more TV success with the 1980s miniseries "North and South" and its sequel. He also co-starred with half-brothers Keith and Robert Carradine in the Western "The Long Riders."

But his 1975 cult hit "Death Race 2000," about a future America where auto racing has become a blood sport, was more emblematic of his later work as Carradine appeared in such action stories as "Warlock," "Dune Warriors" and "Kill Zone."

Carradine returned to his best-known role with a 1980s "Kung Fu" TV movie and a 1990s series in which he played Caine's grandson, carrying on the family martial-arts tradition.

He left "Kung Fu" because he felt the show was repeating itself, yet it was Caine and his exploits that became Carradine's enduring legacy as the character helped introduce U.S. audiences to an action style now commonplace in Hollywood films.

"Martial arts was a very foreign concept. You saw little bits of it here and there, but it was by no means a mainstream thing like it is now, and he's one of the instrumental elements that helped make that happen," said "Break" director Clebanoff. "He helped put it on the map and make it something that's very recognizable and mainstream."

[lkfmdc]

"found the 72-year-old naked in a wardrobe with a cord around his neck a and other parts of his body

wahts stopping them from saying arms legs unless they dont want to mention a certain appendage.......

they also didn't mention the leather mask and the can of Crisco!

[golden arhat]

has everyone met david carradine apart from me!?

[Baqualin]

[QUOTE=firepalm;939287]It's certainly sad for the family especially considering the circumstances, but I don't think Carradine deserves any special recognition for his 'role' in the CMA community but you know IKF and others are going to heap praise on the man & his 'legacy'.

Sure they will....their in business to make money....those issues will be hot items.
Not saying it's wrong just good business sense (I work for a publishing co. Gene).

Nothing towards the family Of DC either...my heart goes out to them.

I must also admit that the pilot special to the series was my first introduction to Kung Fu....been in love with CMA ever since....thought Kwaichang was the sh!t until I remembered the Green Hornet series and realized that Kato would have kicked his A$$

[lkfmdc]

"Endless Highway," Carradine's 1995 autobiography, opens with the actor recounting how he tried to hang himself at age 5

compare that to his "people" trying to put out the idea he couldn't possibly have tried to kill himself

[kwaichang]

Thanks Gene I appreciate your post of the interview KC

[GeneChing]

...not that I think it would do anything for sales at all. Our next issue won't hit newsstands until 8/4, at which point it will be pretty old news. Beyond my e-zine article, we didn't really do that much with Carradine. Didn't to that much with Shek Kin or Tienanmen either.

We already have two obits slated and I'm really tight on space for this issue, so I'm not sure if we'll go with one yet or not. Would it be ghoulish to suggest that you subscribe to find out? Probably.

[golden arhat]

"i'll sue you" - the great american scheme.
oh my... how scary... life with no money. i am shivering with fright.
i wonder about people like you who take everything way to personal. just running off the possibilities here... because we all know that ANYTHING is possible, not just the possibilities you want it to be... besides... anything coming from the likes of your philosophical mentality i'll take as a mouthful of mud... its hard to find respect for someone who can't even come up with their own internet name.

My respect for uki has just risen by about 500 points.

[lkfmdc]

this one goes out to KwaiChang

Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...

[REFRAIN]:

that suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
I try to find a way to make
all our little joys relate
without that ever-present hate
but now I know that it's too late, and...

[REFRAIN]

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.

[REFRAIN]

The only way to win is cheat
and lay it down before I'm beat
and to another give my seat
for that's the only painless feat.

[REFRAIN]

The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...

[REFRAIN]

A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
is it to be or not to be
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'

[REFRAIN]

'Cause suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
...and you can do the same thing if you please.