the kung fu of juggling

[uki]

the art of juggling is by far one of the most multi-layered activities anyone on the physical realm can invest their time and energy into - but hey, don't take my word for it.

http://www.juggling.org/papers/science-1/

http://www.jumpusa.com/juggling.html

http://www.juggling.org/papers/history-2/

http://www.juggleplay.com/jugglehistory.html

http://www.neuromuscularjunction.net...ngtherapy.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ng.html?cat=50

http://www.juggling.org/jw/86/1/health.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ing.html?cat=5

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/5615.php

http://www.icanjuggle.com/academic.html

http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/juggleyourway.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/05/24/pl.juggling/

http://www.philanthropicentrepreneur...20Juggling.htm

obviously there is really no need to pursue any second opinions on the reasons why and how juggling improves ones martial arts techniques.

it would be nice to do a study on winning martial artists in competitions from all styles and compare to wether or not they know how to juggle or not and how often they do so...

it's true... juggling will make you a better fighter(and at everything else you do)... period.

[MasterKiller]

You know what else improves your ability to fight? Training to fight.

[uki]

You know what else improves your ability to fight? Training to fight.

you see, it's just this narrow-minded approach to the martial arts that is the root of all these discrepancies today. you obviously are lacking the vision. nothing personal of course... it's just the way the cookie crumbles.

[MasterKiller]

you see, it's just this narrow-minded approach to the martial arts that is the root of all these discrepancies today. you obviously are lacking the vision. nothing personal of course... it's just the way the cookie crumbles.

Juggling might make you a better fighter. A better fighter than what is the real question...

[uki]

No, the root of the discrepancies stems from people promoting non-activity-specific training practices who are themselves unable to prove any proficiency in the activity in question.

what's to prove? if you want to see if i can tear your throat out with some tiger claw techniques, by all means, please feel free to stop by and threaten my family with some physical harm.

You're right. Juggling might make you a better fighter. A better fighter than what is the real question...

this is where i like to grab the arguement by the throat... why are you so concerned with someones fighting abilities? is it a sign of personal insecurity or something? it goes for everyone who gets defensive when some alternate form or style comes along... defense mechanism clicks in - you've got a business to protect or some other excuse to cling to... obviously your manifestation of arrogance doubts someone elses ability to fight, while at the same time you attack it as if to retain the dominate postion... i am simply here to bring, to the table of the martial arts, another form of training that one can incorporate into their practice.

*meow*

[MightyB]

No, the root of the discrepancies stems from people promoting non-activity-specific training practices who are themselves unable to prove any proficiency in the activity in question.

You're right. Juggling might make you a better fighter. A better fighter than what is the real question...

MK - this is where you show yourself to be a real douche bag. In Judo, I've had the opportunity to train with some pretty tough competitors from Russia and Germany. I asked them a little about what training there was like as compared to here. One thing the Russian said is that Judo training in Russia is very regimented and hard. It's 6 days a week, and (wait for it) they spend at least one day a week doing some non Judo activity to help their Judo. Usually it's Soccer, sometimes it's basketball, sometimes it's swimming. It's seen as essential because it compliments the Judo training.

(hums) Free your mind - the rest will follow... be color blind - don't be so shallow...

[David Jamieson]

how did you come to the conclusion that juggling will make you a better fighter?

I can see how it develops eye hand coordination. i can see how it can develop focus.

but isn't that akin to saying that any of the supportive exercises and development associated makes you a better fighter?

While all these attributes can be developed to the nth degree, I have to agree with MK that the only way to become a better fighter is through the task specific act of actually fighting.

the prototype is not teh production model, the architect is not the builder, and so on.

I don't think he's obsessed with fighting so much as he is taking contention with your statement :

it's true... juggling will make you a better fighter(and at everything else you do)... period.

That's like saying lifting weights will make you a better fighter... no it won't, it will make you stronger, but you still have to fight to understand fighting.

I would have approached it from a development strategy aimed at refining certain attributes that will contribute to your cultivation as a fighter, but to make the direct lineal association is a bit off.

[MightyB]

That's like saying lifting weights will make you a better fighter... no it won't, it will make you stronger.

Hey Dave - STRENGTH TRAINING WILL MAKE YOU A BETTER FIGHTER.

There - I said it.

[MasterKiller]

MK - this is where you show yourself to be a real douche bag. In Judo, I've had the opportunity to train with some pretty tough competitors from Russia and Germany. I asked them a little about what training there was like as compared to here. One thing the Russian said is that Judo training in Russia is very regimented and hard. It's 6 days a week, and (wait for it) they spend at least one day a week doing some non Judo activity to help their Judo. Usually it's Soccer, sometimes it's basketball, sometimes it's swimming. It's seen as essential because it compliments the Judo training.

How often does your Judo club take off to go swimming?

(hums) Free your mind - the rest will follow... be color blind - don't be so shallow...

Go eat some granola. Hippy.

[MightyB]

How often does your Judo club take off to go swimming?

Go eat some granola. Hippy.

"Douche Bag" was a little excessive - I don't mean you are a douche - just that, in this case, you're displaying douche like tendencies

My Judo club doesn't train like the Russians. I wish we could and did. The rest of the world eats, sleeps, and cr@ps, whatever it is that they do that they deem worth doing. I'd say we're less than part-timers here and that's why we don't do that well as a nation internationally in Judo.

But- if we did do a 4 to 6 hour a day 6 days a week regimen, I'm sure we'd go swimming or something. I'd prefer Rock climbing. Develops grip strength, requires concentration, and has a tremendous sense of accomplishment for when you do a challenging climb. All things that would help a person to be a better martial artist.

[WinterPalm]

You know what else improves your ability to fight? Training to fight.

Hersey!
Burn the heretic!

[MightyB]

Hersey!
Burn the heretic!

Another close minded douche like comment...

so many douches.

[MasterKiller]

"Douche Bag"
My Judo club doesn't train like the Russians. I wish we could and did. The rest of the world eats, sleeps, and cr@ps, whatever it is that they do that they deem worth doing. I'd say we're less than part-timers here and that's why we don't do that well as a nation internationally in Judo.

But you said that swimming, basketball, etc.. was seen as essential to Judo. Why would you disregard essential training?

[uki]

so many douches.

so little fresh water...

how did you come to the conclusion that juggling will make you a better fighter?

every benefit gained from juggling is inter-dependently attributed to ones martial arts abilities. i am sure you are smart enough to apply all the benfits to the multiple aspects of martial arts and come to your own sound conclusions based entirely on sound logic and reason.

[Lucas]

I would have approached it from a development strategy aimed at refining certain attributes that will contribute to your cultivation as a fighter, but to make the direct lineal association is a bit off.

meh, semantics...

I think a lot of us understood that this is basically what he meant.

I mean thats like saying all you ever have to do is just spar and fight. No strenght training, no body conditioning, no cardio....

we all know we need all of these things to develop roundly as a fighter.

all uki was saying is that (even though you know this) juggling can be an additional form of training to work towards your goal of developing attributes that help you as a fighter.

to pick it apart just makes it look like no one can figure that part of his post out.