Why do all MAs turn into kickboxing in the end?

**andyhaas** · 07-01-2009, 10:24 AM

Stop teaching students the apps of techniques, give them puffy gloves and shin guards ... start preaching the benefits of 'stripping down' the MA, getting to the essentials ... how all the 'traditional' stuff is too slow to compete, has to be 'optimized', etc.

Is this why all MA lineages seem to turn into kickboxing in the end?

**lkfmdc** · 07-01-2009, 10:29 AM

I dunno, maybe because when you get down to it, a fight is about being able to hit and kick people and basic is what works

every wonder why even though video is widespread around the world now, we still don't find any clips of people fighting for real and looking like Shaw Bros kung fu movies?

Or maybe that's because the real masters are hiding in caves, afraid to reveal their dim mak

**hskwarrior** · 07-01-2009, 10:32 AM

Or maybe that's because the real masters are hiding in caves, afraid to reveal their dim mak

The great ones are always the toughest to find!!!

**andyhaas** · 07-01-2009, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by lkfmdc

I dunno, maybe because when you get down to it, a fight is about being able to hit and kick people and basic is what works

every wonder why even though video is widespread around the world now, we still don't find any clips of people fighting for real and looking like Shaw Bros kung fu movies?

Or maybe that's because the real masters are hiding in caves, afraid to reveal their dim mak

Actually, the TRUTH is ... very simple ...

You hit anybody in the nose or face hard enough to hurt them ... they BLEED ... (or just go ow ... I want to stop) = end of the competition fight.

Therefore, competition fighting = mostly watered down boxing with puffy gloves on so it goes on longer. Case closed.

**David Jamieson** · 07-01-2009, 10:46 AM

All I know is that simple = better.

**lkfmdc** · 07-01-2009, 10:49 AM

LMFAO

Please, go to a boxing gym and ask one of those MERE SPORT FIGHTERS to punch you in the face with the FLUFFY GLOVES and then, when you wake up, report back what happened

**andyhaas** · 07-01-2009, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by lkfmdc

LMFAO

Please, go to a boxing gym and ask one of those MERE SPORT FIGHTERS to punch you in the face with the FLUFFY GLOVES and then, when you wake up, report back what happened

Been to tourneys, been hit plenty of times. Not saying there's anything wrong with mere sport fighters just saying that in the end, it all gets watered down to the same stuff, different buzzword.

**David Jamieson** · 07-01-2009, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by andyhaas

Actually, the TRUTH is ... very simple ...

You hit anybody in the nose or face hard enough to hurt them ... they BLEED ... (or just go ow ... I want to stop) = end of the competition fight.

Therefore, competition fighting = mostly watered down boxing with puffy gloves on so it goes on longer. Case closed.

You haven't seen a lot of fights have you?

This is not my experience.

Now, if we're talking about amateur stuff, yeah, there's lots and lots and lots of crappy "fighters" who enter amateur competition. Good for them, i hope they learn something.

But quality kickboxing is superior to well... there aren't any venues for kungfu fighting now are there? are there? or is everyone too afraid they will kill their opponent with their special deadly that only they have in their lineage?

lol

**lkfmdc** · 07-01-2009, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by andyhaas

Been to tourneys,

you aren't talk about point sparring are you? no, really

what FIGHTS have you had???

**lkfmdc** · 07-01-2009, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by David Jamieson

You haven't seen a lot of fights have you?

This is not my experience.

Now, if we're talking about amateur stuff, yeah, there's lots and lots and lots of crappy "fighters" who enter amateur competition. Good for them, i hope they learn something.

But quality kickboxing is superior to well... there aren't any venues for kungfu fighting now are there? are there? or is everyone too afraid they will kill their opponent with their special deadly that only they have in their lineage?

lol

darn it Jamieson, I told you, stop agreeing with me, you'll blow the whole thing and they'll know we are actually Gene Ching

**andyhaas** · 07-01-2009, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by David Jamieson

You haven't seen a lot of fights have you?

This is not my experience.

Now, if we're talking about amateur stuff, yeah, there's lots and lots and lots of crappy "fighters" who enter amateur competition. Good for them, i hope they learn something.

But quality kickboxing is superior to well... there aren't any venues for kungfu fighting now are there? are there? or is everyone too afraid they will kill their opponent with their special deadly that only they have in their lineage?

lol

I've only been in 3 real fights. 2 ended up with broken noses and the other person yelling and saying I shouldn't have hit them after they hit me, and the other one ended up with a friend pulling the guy off me because I was too drunk to fight. LOL

Anyways ... whatever ... I'm not saying there's anything wrong with kickboxing ... just wanting to say something that I probably shouldn't say.

(Like ... maybe people should check out their local kickboxing and boxing gym if they want to get the best kickboxing and skip the MMA latest buzzword crap).

**lkfmdc** · 07-01-2009, 11:01 AM

"street fights" against untrained / unconditioned people, especially drunk untrained / unconditioned people are completely meaningless

what FULL CONTACT events have you done?

You used the workd "tourneys" - were they FULL CONTACT? if so what were they, when and were?

**David Jamieson** · 07-01-2009, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by andyhaas

I've only been in 3 real fights. 2 ended up with broken noses and the other person yelling and saying I shouldn't have hit them after they hit me, and the other one ended up with a friend pulling the guy off me because I was too drunk to fight. LOL

Anyways ... whatever ... I'm not saying there's anything wrong with kickboxing ... just wanting to say something that I probably shouldn't say.

(Like ... maybe people should check out their local kickboxing and boxing gym if they want to get the best kickboxing and skip the MMA latest buzzword crap).

that's cool.

so, you shouldn't really be commenting except to say that if people think kickboxing is no good, they should go try out a club.

maybe after a couple of months of training you might get to step up and have your ass handed to you and therein is the lesson.

**andyhaas** · 07-01-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by lkfmdc

"street fights" against untrained / unconditioned people, especially drunk untrained / unconditioned people are completely meaningless

what FULL CONTACT events have you done?

You used the workd "tourneys" - were they FULL CONTACT? if so what were they, when and were?

THERE ARE NO OTHER FULL CONTACT FIGHTS THAN UNCONTROLLED, NON PLANNED, FIGHTS.

At least in my definition.

Planned events do not denote FULL CONTACT in my definition.

**hskwarrior** · 07-01-2009, 11:09 AM

wow, andy, what part of the bay are your from bro?

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