Why do all MAs turn into kickboxing in the end?

[lkfmdc]

No, what happened to them? They still have their federation don't they?
as in: http://www.uskungfu.com/federation_officers.htm

they don't organize events anymore?

that is NOT the organization that I knew that ran Jeff Bolt's events in Houston and then Florida

I don't even see Jeff's name in that list??

And in case I've lost touch with the politics and Jeff IS involved in that group, oh the irony, half the people on that list tried to run Jeff Bolt out of business in the "old days"

[David Jamieson]

that is NOT the organization that I knew that ran Jeff Bolt's events in Houston and then Florida

I don't even see Jeff's name in that list??

And in case I've lost touch with the politics and Jeff IS involved in that group, oh the irony, half the people on that list tried to run Jeff Bolt out of business in the "old days"

He's a founding member. That list is just the sub-officers of the federation.
they got a thing going on in Dallas in a week or two I think, legends of kungfu or something like that.

anyway, what's the story there? bunch of crap politics?

also, as an aside, it was always my observation that when it came to kungfu politics, it often reflected chinese politics.

It was always KMT schools dissing the contemp wushu schools and vice versa.

to be fair, the kmt schools always had better kungfu. lol

[lkfmdc]

He's a founding member. That list is just the sub-officers of the federation.
they got a thing going on in Dallas in a week or two I think, legends of kungfu or something like that.

anyway, what's the story there? bunch of crap politics?

Oh well, Gene will kill me, but......

Back when there was "NACMAF" and Tai Yim and Anthony Goh were still speaking to eachother (as opposed to wanting to kill eachother), their event was in Baltimore

Jeff Bolt's event was first in Texas, then moved to Florida

I don't know how Jeff felt, but knowing Jeff, he probably didn't care, but I know that NACMAF viewed Jeff Bolt as a competitor and wanted to "beat him". Every f-in meeting had some negative comments about Jeff.

There was also an ongoing effort to "win over" respected Sifu. Brendan Lau called up my sifu (CTS) and even though CTS had a close relatoinship with Tai Yim, asked him to come to Florida and Jeff's event

My sifu loved to demonstrate, and who doesn't want a free hotel room

Later on, NACMAF got into a major league pissing match with Wai HOn'g "East Coast Kung Fu Federation" (which Tai Yim had belonged to, and according to Wai Hong still belonged to and thus was "disobediant")

In the ensuing "my gwan do is bigger than your gwan do" BS, Tai Yim and Anthony Goh decided to partner with Jeff Bolt to form the USA WKF

Then, because Anthony Goh wanted to show Wai HOng that his gwan do was REALLY BIG, ANthony Goh committed a brand new organization with no money to doing the world WUSHU championships .... did I mention that he did this DESPITE the entire organiation objecting? Did I mention that most of the base of this new organization was TRADITIONAL GUYS and this was a WUSHU event?

Did I mention that Goh snubbed all the traditional people by having the yearly national everone loved on a WEDNESDAY and a THURSDAY so he could do the WUSHU CHAMPIONSHIP?

So, once everyone hated Goh's nuts Tai Yim made up with Wai HOng and they formed the organization you just linked.... how Jeff Bolt got into that mess I am not sure

And the sad part is, I am only really brushing the very shallow surface of all that BS history of the past

[Lucas]

now i dont know if anyone else has experienced this or not....but...


sometimes when i meet other martial artists, i sometimes feel almost embarassed to say im a kungfu guy. simply because i know the majority of people have this pre concieved notion of what cma is, which is always based on the fluff wushu movie crap. thus most people automatically assume you dont know jack all about actual fighting. which for some of us just isnt the case. some of us have a view and a goal we work towards thats fully grounded in reality.

sometimes you do meet the guys who 'get it' and understand its all about your training goals and what you do to reach those goals. though on average, the bad face of cma is all people know about it, even well trained martial artists have these scewed pre concieved notions....which i understand, truly, because i can see how this type of thinking comes about.

of course a nice technical discussion or a little sparring can pretty quickly show people what page you like to read....but still...

anyone else ever experience that...

its annoying being dismissed outright because you say the word.... chinese

[jmd161]

now i dont know if anyone else has experienced this or not....but...


sometimes when i meet other martial artists, i sometimes feel almost embarassed to say im a kungfu guy. simply because i know the majority of people have this pre concieved notion of what cma is, which is always based on the fluff wushu movie crap. thus most people automatically assume you dont know jack all about actual fighting. which for some of us just isnt the case. some of us have a view and a goal we work towards thats fully grounded in reality.

sometimes you do meet the guys who 'get it' and understand its all about your training goals and what you do to reach those goals. though on average, the bad face of cma is all people know about it, even well trained martial artists have these scewed pre concieved notions....which i understand, truly, because i can see how this type of thinking comes about.

of course a nice technical discussion or a little sparring can pretty quickly show people what page you like to read....but still...

anyone else ever experience that...

its annoying being dismissed outright because you say the word.... chinese

I know exactly what you mean!

It's only because of my size 6'2" 300plus that people don't give me crap. They are already intimidated by my size, so they dare not say anything out of place. I've had a few though that wanted to test me thinking I'm some big slow inexperienced CMA sifu worshiper.

That is the last thing they think afterwards...

Of course, then you get that's not kung fu what you did to me!


jeff

[cerebus]

Heh, heh. I actually like telling people that I'm a Kung Fu/ Tai Chi practitioner. Especially if they've done any boxing or kickboxing. Sometimes they ask if I wanna spar and are surprised when I say "Sure". Then we spar... and that's ALOT of fun...

[Violent Designs]

theres a shaolin saying yi li shen shi zhao
strength beats 10 techniques

many kung fu forms look complicated but its just punch kick grab varation
it looks complicated maybe because its done flowerly

一力胜十招 。

[grasshopper 2.0]

I have to say I've experienced this myself. The guy was a MT guy and once u say "kung fu" its like a smirk appears on their face OR they want me to ask them "so what do u do?"

Its rather annoying but at the same time, since they underestimate, they are even more shocked at the outcome.

On a side note - this has also renewed "my faith" in chinese boxing. There was a point where I realized that MMA, MT, etc isn't the be all and end all (don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for those that train in their art, it's just that some are extremely ****y and feel they can wipe any kung fu guy no problem...especially with casual training..and then they realize its not so easy)

Heh, heh. I actually like telling people that I'm a Kung Fu/ Tai Chi practitioner. Especially if they've done any boxing or kickboxing. Sometimes they ask if I wanna spar and are surprised when I say "Sure". Then we spar... and that's ALOT of fun...

[David Jamieson]

Heh, heh. I actually like telling people that I'm a Kung Fu/ Tai Chi practitioner. Especially if they've done any boxing or kickboxing. Sometimes they ask if I wanna spar and are surprised when I say "Sure". Then we spar... and that's ALOT of fun...

I usually go with "I'm a yoga practitioner who is becoming a vegan and I support gay marriage vehemently".

Pretty much anybody will leave you alone after that.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I do tend to get a chuckle out of people that say boxing is easy and such.
Simple does not = easy.
Boxing is, by far, the best method to teach anyone how to use their hands how to strike.
Why do I say best?
Because it is a method that is quick, effective, simple and anyone can be taught to make it effective in a short period of time.
It still doesn't make it easy.
You can sit down with a good boxing coach and discuss boxing strategies and such for hours, the different body methods, different modes of power generation, foot work, evasion tactics, blocking and so forth.
Don't even get me started on how Muay Thai.

[naja]

I do tend to get a chuckle out of people that say boxing is easy and such.
Simple does not = easy.
Boxing is, by far, the best method to teach anyone how to use their hands how to strike.

The college that hosts the judo club I go to also hosts a boxing club on the following days (and both are free - yay!). I keep meaning to give it a go, but something always comes up. I would love to combine boxing and judo.

[David Jamieson]

The college that hosts the judo club I go to also hosts a boxing club on the following days (and both are free - yay!). I keep meaning to give it a go, but something always comes up. I would love to combine boxing and judo.

You can't love it that much if you always let something else come up to push it away.

show some brass man! lol

[Lucas]

boxing + judo

man i wish there was some judo near me i could get to on my schedule.

i did talk to a guy that trains at straight blast gym, who conveniently just moved in to a location between my work and home.

once i re arrange my finances im going to go sign up. the way it was explained to me is for 125 a month you get unlimited access to any material thats being taught. im going to go for the boxing for sure, and possibly get into the bjj, and hopefully find a judo contact through them.

[David Jamieson]

boxing + judo

man i wish there was some judo near me i could get to on my schedule.

i did talk to a guy that trains at straight blast gym, who conveniently just moved in to a location between my work and home.

once i re arrange my finances im going to go sign up. the way it was explained to me is for 125 a month you get unlimited access to any material thats being taught. im going to go for the boxing for sure, and possibly get into the bjj, and hopefully find a judo contact through them.

SBG has some of the best instructional vids available out there bar none.
If they have good instructors in your local, I would go! I admire their way of approaching and training martial arts.

[andyhaas]

Yeah, judo = fun.