Why do all MAs turn into kickboxing in the end?

[Eric Olson]

MMA is simply what kung fu USED to be when it was trained as a fighting system.

Except I don't think that the old kung fu guys wanted to take it to the ground. That was filthy and for the "dogs." Go figure the one ground fighting style we all know is called "dog boxing."


....but that was a cultural oversight, all is fair in love and war as they say.

EO

[Lokhopkuen]

MMA is simply what kung fu USED to be when it was trained as a fighting system.

Kung Fu is no longer a fighting system? Wow we've been left out of the loop 'cause we still use it to fight I better inform my teacher, associate branches and the HK associations! LMFAO

[David Jamieson]

Kung Fu is no longer a fighting system? Wow we've been left out of the loop 'cause we still use it to fight I better inform my teacher, associate branches and the HK associations! LMFAO

There aren't many venues for it, it is not actuvely promoted in fighting venues and you don't see kungfu artists winning in any of the other major venues that are available to strut ones stuff so to speak when it comes to martial arts.

IN asia, you get the ridiculous padded contests that aren't on par with western h2h combat in a ring setting.

You are only now starting to see san shou coming out in china as a strong lead in chinese martial arts and frankly, they're not really chinese and those guys do not use traditional forms to train with or most traditional methods.

wu shu players are all about forms and they don't actually fight with them. It's a national sport in china to remove teeth from tigers it seems.

Sadly, we here in the west have a tendency to adopt that, but we always hide the fact that the tiger is toothless.

This can all be redeemed, especially by us. Those of us who are in the here and now have to think about ways of updating and moving the material forward. We can have contests, we can leave out the unusual stuff for those contests and continue to use trad methods, but the fight has been taken out of it, that much is clear and it needs to be put back in.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Kung Fu is no longer a fighting system? Wow we've been left out of the loop 'cause we still use it to fight I better inform my teacher, associate branches and the HK associations! LMFAO

Really?
Kung fu is a generic name, while there are some very limited systems that train fighting, I am sure you agree that is not the majority.
Can the average kung fu person answer these simple questions:
Who do you fight?
Where do you fight?
When was your last fight?
Was it full contact ?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Except I don't think that the old kung fu guys wanted to take it to the ground. That was filthy and for the "dogs." Go figure the one ground fighting style we all know is called "dog boxing."


....but that was a cultural oversight, all is fair in love and war as they say.

EO

Nobody wants to take it to the ground, no matter what you have heard, doesn't change the fact that it can end up there and to not address is silly at best and suicidal at worse.

[MasterKiller]

Well, this guy wanted to take it to the ground...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L2-4...layer_embedded

[naja]

This might have something to do with it...

http://www.vybzmagazine.com/wp-conte..._Cherie_01.jpg

[David Jamieson]

This might have something to do with it...

http://www.vybzmagazine.com/wp-conte..._Cherie_01.jpg

hahaha, i guarantee you that chick is NOT a kickboxer.

a)she's too hot
b)no bruises, no facial marks
c)look at her nails for cripes sakes. lol

still, she's hot!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Well, this guy wanted to take it to the ground...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L2-4...layer_embedded

We were talking about ground work in the ocntext of how original kung fu was taught ie: a fight with the chance of multilple attackers, I am sure that guy would have done just fine if one of the spectators decided to tee of on his face, of course if he was aware of that possibility he probably would not have been so eager to put himself on the ground and lose his ability to get the **** out of there.

[naja]

hahaha, i guarantee you that chick is NOT a kickboxer.

LOL...does it matter?!?!?

[lkfmdc]

This might have something to do with it...

http://www.vybzmagazine.com/wp-conte..._Cherie_01.jpg

I see you found a pic of our new kickboxing instructor!

[Lucas]

Well, this guy wanted to take it to the ground...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L2-4...layer_embedded

i wonder how the lift and slam would have effected the outcome had they been on concrete and not grass.

[taai gihk yahn]

i wonder how the lift and slam would have effected the outcome had they been on concrete and not grass.

precisely! I was waiting for people to start griping about how the BJJ guy wouldn't have been able to do what he was doing if it had been concrete, just to point out that he was not the first man to meet the ground!

[Lucas]

what i want to see is street application of shuai jiao or judo

[MasterKiller]

precisely! I was waiting for people to start griping about how the BJJ guy wouldn't have been able to do what he was doing if it had been concrete, just to point out that he was not the first man to meet the ground!

I think Lucas is talking about when the guy lifts and slams the BJJ dude during the armbar setup.