Why do all MAs turn into kickboxing in the end?

[Lucas]

An mma "stand up" format would be fun (but probably brutal).

that would rule. mma sanshou! keep the throws in there for sure.

[bawang]

theres a shaolin saying yi li shen shi zhao
strength beats 10 techniques

many kung fu forms look complicated but its just punch kick grab varation
it looks complicated maybe because its done flowerly

[monji112000]

Actually, the TRUTH is ... very simple ...

You hit anybody in the nose or face hard enough to hurt them ... they BLEED ... (or just go ow ... I want to stop) = end of the competition fight.

Therefore, competition fighting = mostly watered down boxing with puffy gloves on so it goes on longer. Case closed.

Have you seen a Pro MMA fight? Hell People get arms broken and continue to beat their opponents. You can see massive amounts of blood and people will not stop unless the ref calls the fight.

Hell I don't stop if I'm bleeding.. its only blood.

[monji112000]

LMFAO

Please, go to a boxing gym and ask one of those MERE SPORT FIGHTERS to punch you in the face with the FLUFFY GLOVES and then, when you wake up, report back what happened

I seem to remember those "fluffy gloves" being the reason why I stopped doing Kickboxing.. Just getting hit "lightly" for some people can be too much. Have you ever really been punched in the face??

[MightyB]

start with kickboxing. Have 'em train and fight until they get good at it, then teach them traditional Chinese martial arts after they've had a good full contact base and training in San Da or MMA.

[TenTigers]

I would be interested in folks' opinions of why you don't see pek, been, gwa, sow, kup, etc in MMA, Sanshou, Sanda, etc.
I have heard some say that they are too telegraphed, but anystrike is telegraphed if it isn't set up properly. Yes? No?

[Lokhopkuen]

The great ones are always the toughest to find!!!

Ever so true.

[andyhaas]

I would be interested in folks' opinions of why you don't see pek, been, gwa, sow, kup, etc in MMA, Sanshou, Sanda, etc.
I have heard some say that they are too telegraphed, but anystrike is telegraphed if it isn't set up properly. Yes? No?

Personally, I think it's because the style I studied we did kickboxing and then learned 'kung fu' style blocking and striking skills separately, so they look distinct from kickboxing. I mean, I call an uppercut an uppercut, an upward block an upward block, etc.

When I do a bagua uppercut, the dynamics are totally different than kickboxing. Stance, step, etc.

(Then again, I'm lazy when it comes to names ... I never tried to remember Chinese names for stuff ... don't really try to use yi di sang wha (sp) or bil jee or that type of stuff ...

[lkfmdc]

I would be interested in folks' opinions of why you don't see pek, been, gwa, sow, kup, etc in MMA, Sanshou, Sanda, etc.
I have heard some say that they are too telegraphed, but anystrike is telegraphed if it isn't set up properly. Yes? No?

been?
you see JYUHN BIN (spin back fist) all the time

sow?
Long hooks, we use them all the time

kup?
overhand, actually very common

[Pork Chop]

I saw a guy in golden gloves in maryland throw overhand lefts that were WAY more clf-style sow choy than even a standard boxing overhand.
Occasionally you'll see guys in san shou pull off sow choy - like that dude out of Chicago, though he does kinda wind up a bit much for my tastes.
They also throw a forearm shot that's very similar in muay thai in Thailand (the only place I know that it's legal).

Pek Choy is similar enough to the hammer fist that's a staple of ground n pound in mma.

Personally, I couldn't really pull off gwa-anything (ie gwa-sow-charp, gwa-ping, gwa-kup, etc) with any sort of consistency - especially as a lead-off, but most times even as a counter. The gwa just took too long to get there. It *might* work the first time and then any time after that i was toast.

[Lokhopkuen]

Personally, I think it's because the style I studied we did kickboxing and then learned 'kung fu' style blocking and striking skills separately, so they look distinct from kickboxing. I mean, I call an uppercut an uppercut, an upward block an upward block, etc.

When I do a bagua uppercut, the dynamics are totally different than kickboxing. Stance, step, etc.

(Then again, I'm lazy when it comes to names ... I never tried to remember Chinese names for stuff ... don't really try to use yi di sang wha (sp) or bil jee or that type of stuff ...

A punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick. When you learn how to chain them together with proper timing and alignment you are a fighter.

[taai gihk yahn]

I guess that the time of chastisement has passed...

[cerebus]

Heh, heh. I love it when someone with no experience in full-contact competition or real fighting decides to impart their wisdom about these subjects....

[Lucas]

or has it only begun? You know as well as i we could carry this for a few more pages.

[grasshopper 2.0]

the human body is limited, in range of motion, in the number of limbs, to the physical capabilities, etc. The body is also bound to the laws of the environment surrounding it. what i think that results in is that certain types of punches/kicks/strategies are more effective than others - meaning that many styles end up converging when it comes to the full-contact setting.

to me, the various martial art styles have diverged so much in their teaching and much of the "fighting essence" is lost in the forms and propagated by movies, tv, and other driving forces (eg. $$-related).

but martial art styles, imo, at one time were different vehicles to get to the same place, whether it's called kick boxing or whatever, they are just different ways of training, perspective, strategies etc to train the student ultimately to fight. the fight is going to have a kickboxing/boxing appearance (as defined by the limitations above)...but hopefully the vehicle the student chose suited his/her personality, beliefs and goals, etc. It's called kickboxing or boxing only because we have a word for it in our language/culture now. Perhaps in another land and different time, they saw it as kung fu, karate, etc.