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    i think he said that because you see guys like anderson and cung and george stand up skills and then you see the other guys........

    silva wants to fight frank mir that will over in a a minute tops

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    You are right there are lots of bad MMA gyms out there passing of there stuff as good, but even at the UFC level you see guys with less than great stand up (and they come from good camps mostly)

    I tend to think that simply sparring in a gym is not enough, you need to have competed in matches that are strictly stand up in order to get really comfortable in that area.

    To get used to the adrenaline dump and to not fall back on crappy techniques or grappling to save you, you need to experience full contact stand up, to get comfortable with people you do not know who are trying to really knock you out in a competitive environment.

    I am not saying you need to become a Thai boxing champion but I feel a few full contact fights that are pure stand up would make a lot of difference to a fighters stand up game in MMA.

    You see it with grappling how competing in no gi and BJJ matches helps guys get a lot better on the ground so why not do the same with the stand up?

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    thats why its a **** shame that shanshou/sanda hasnt taken off better in the states. IMO its better format for working stand up for a mma fighter than thaiboxing because of the throwing element, keeping you in that take down/wrestling state of mind and action but still relying on solid stand up game.
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    i thi nk san shou will be huge in mma son just give it a bit and it will be the next big thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by goju View Post
    i thi nk san shou will be huge in mma son just give it a bit and it will be the next big thing
    I doubt that. Most places, guys just go straight to MMA. The problem is that there are just more facilities to become a grappler in this country. You can wrestle in HS. You can wrestle in college. You don't find MT in there, nor boxing. How many gyms are there that teach MT in this country? Let alone San Shou. Its just not accessible. And it has to compete with MMA. And that's not just in regards to competitors, they're more than likely be pooled from the same group of guys. But somebody has to promote the events. Where's the money going to come from? Why put on a San Shou event when you could promote MMA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo KungFu View Post
    I doubt that. Most places, guys just go straight to MMA. The problem is that there are just more facilities to become a grappler in this country. You can wrestle in HS. You can wrestle in college. You don't find MT in there, nor boxing. How many gyms are there that teach MT in this country? Let alone San Shou. Its just not accessible. And it has to compete with MMA. And that's not just in regards to competitors, they're more than likely be pooled from the same group of guys. But somebody has to promote the events. Where's the money going to come from? Why put on a San Shou event when you could promote MMA?
    goes back to what i was saying about mma killing muay thai in this country
    hard to get events going for muay thai anymore, let alone sanshou
    lump onto that the problems of infighting & clusterf*ck organization in both mt & ss and you've got a situation that's almost hopeless.
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    no i mean i think youll have more san shou fighters going into mma because its so hard to promote their sport then their will be an interest in it and more gyms

    and then we can look forward to it getting watered down like mt did in mma gyms
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    Quote Originally Posted by goju View Post
    no i mean i think youll have more san shou fighters going into mma because its so hard to promote their sport then their will be an interest in it and more gyms

    and then we can look forward to it getting watered down like mt did in mma gyms
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    So....lack of promotion will make it more promotable?

    MT isn't watered down in MMA. Lack of skill doesn't off the bat mean watered down. MT isn't developed in MMA for most because its just not there. There's only a handful of places for specified MT in the country. Its just not trained a lot until you hit pro levels. Then yeah, that's why you see guys on TV with crappy standup. Most kung fu guys can't strike with 20 years of training. Some of these guys have maybe been getting hardcore MT training for what 2...3 years?

    I can't say for everywhere, but here in SC head kicks/knees are illegal for amateur. Elbows are illegal to anywhere in amateur. Because of that, MT is very limited. Nobody trains it til they go pro for that reason. San Shou would be nice to work some stand-up theoretically. But there's no competition unless you just happen to live in NY or San Jose. Last tournament I went to in FL had all of 4 competitors.

    And to be honest I think its kinda funny how many people trash MMA striking, when we all know 90% of the people talking are paper tigers themselves. That's not directed at any one person in general so don't nobody go preemptively getting your tutu's in a wad. Its just funny how many people on the internet (esp TMA and boxing fanboys) that we all know are armchair warriors talking when any given shot one of those "sloppy" MMA strikers would lay em out. Like that Hendo shot a bit back. Everyone was riding him. Yeah, that punch came all the way out of China, took a lay over in Kyrgyzstan, stopped for lunch in France and flown in airmail to Bisping's chin. But...can you knock out Bisping?
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    first off that punch that cracked bisping was the most awesome thing in the history of awesome! wo cares wear it came from and i personally think dan did a good job faking bisping to land it so **** those people who ride them

    no i mean since san shou fighter have had to go to mt matches to get fights and mt competions arent doing to well themselves the next logical step is having san shou fighters flooding into mma

    well with the mt ive seen around here didnt impress me as far as looking like legit muay thai most of what i witnessed just looked like boxing with a shin kick

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo KungFu View Post
    I doubt that. Most places, guys just go straight to MMA. The problem is that there are just more facilities to become a grappler in this country. You can wrestle in HS. You can wrestle in college. You don't find MT in there, nor boxing. How many gyms are there that teach MT in this country? Let alone San Shou. Its just not accessible. And it has to compete with MMA. And that's not just in regards to competitors, they're more than likely be pooled from the same group of guys. But somebody has to promote the events. Where's the money going to come from? Why put on a San Shou event when you could promote MMA?
    I think this is very true, and over here in the UK itís the other way around, lots of good MMA and boxing gyms but virtually no wrestling clubs. So you get guys going into MMA with very solid stand up, but at the international level they canít answer the wrestling skills that fighters from the USA and Japan have.

    Our ground game is getting better and we have some very good submission gyms but no real organised wrestling so they have a huge disadvantage in the takedown department and in countering someone with a good top game

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    UFC Fight Night Shanghai

    'Happy to be the black Bruce Lee'
    By Yang Xinwei | China Daily | Updated: 2017-09-28 07:24
    'Happy to be the black Bruce Lee'


    Main-event fighters Anderson 'The Spider' Silva (left) and Kelvin Gastelum pose in front of Kevin Chang, UFC's vice-president for Asia Pacific, at Monday's media conference for Fight Night in Shanghai, set for Nov 25 at Mercedes-Benz Arena. [Photo by Hugo Hu/Zuffa LLC/Getty Images]

    Longtime UFC champ Silva still feels inspired by Chinese icon

    Drawing inspiration from someone they look up to is often very helpful for those who aspire to be professional athletes.

    For Octagon fighter Anderson 'The Spider' Silva, his inspiration is Chinese martial arts icon Bruce Lee, who died in Hong Kong in 1973.

    "When I was very young, I told my brothers and my mom that I was Bruce Lee. I'm a black Bruce Lee," Silva said on Monday during a media conference for UFC Fight Night Shanghai.

    "Lee, Jackie Chan and Donnie Yen, these guys are all my heroes, my Chinese heroes. I think Bruce Lee personifies the greatness of all martial arts, as a fighter and as a professional. When I am training and want to cheer myself up, I think about Bruce Lee. In my life, I'm happy to be the black Bruce Lee."

    Could Lee have made the cut in UFC?

    "Bruce was an amazing master of the martial arts. If he was around today, he would beat everybody," said the 42-year-old Silva, whose record UFC title streak ended in 2013 after 2,457 days, with 16 consecutive wins.

    The Brazilian will face rising American middleweight contender Kelvin Gastelum at Mercedes-Benz Arena on Nov 25.

    The media conference kicked off UFC's second promotional tour in as many months, introducing the headline stars before their upcoming clash in the Octagon. In addition to bringing in Silva and Gastelum, UFC announced the signing of two female fighters from Liaoning province - Wu 'Mulan' Yanan (8-1) and Yan Xiaonan (7-1-1).

    Wu will face American Gina Mazany in a bantamweight matchup. Mazany (4-1), who appeared in Season 18 of The Ultimate Fighter, is mentored by former UFC women's bantamweight champ Miesha Tate and will be looking to upset Wu's ambitions for a home victory.

    The 28-year-old Yan is a well-rounded MMA fighter who counts sanda, Muay Thai, wrestling and Brazilian jiu-jitsu as her specialties. She will square off with Kailin Curran (4-5) of the US.

    Rising welterweight star Li Jingliang (13-4), fighting out of Beijing, announced that he and compatriot Wang Guan (18-1-1) of Northeast China will both participate in China's first live UFC event. Both are awaiting confirmation of their opponents.

    "We first started around 10 years ago, when nobody knew what UFC or MMA was. To come from that point to where we are now, it's been a fantastic dream come true and it will continue to develop in this part of the world," said Kevin Chang, UFC vice-president of Asia Pacific.

    "The response has been tremendous and we are honored to have such overwhelming support from our loyal fans since we announced our inaugural UFC event on the Chinese mainland. This is a historic moment for our company and set to be one of the most thrilling live events UFC has ever brought to Asia".

    Gastelum said he's looking forward to his fight with Silva.

    "Anderson Silva is one of the greatest of all time. But you have to recognize that his time as champion is over. He hasn't won a lot recently. And now I feel like it's my time," said the 25-year-old California native.

    "He's got millions, he's got cars and houses. And I want the same things for me."

    In conjunction with UFC Fight Night Shanghai, Sina Sports launched a nationwide fitness competition to discover China's first Octagon Girl. Interest was so strong that UFC has named not one but two women to represent China on the Fight Night: Wang Jingjing from Beijing and Pan Xiao from Suzhou.

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    Anderson Silva knocks Tito Ortiz out cold in 81 seconds for second boxing victory
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    Anderson Silva is closer to 50 years old than he is 40. But the UFC great, somehow, is embarking on a relatively successful boxing run.

    Silva stopped fellow MMA legend Tito Ortiz via knockout at 1:21 of the first round Saturday night in Hollywood, Florida. Ortiz had Silva trapped in the corner, throwing punches, but Silva ducked an Ortiz shot and landed a huge counter right hook. Silva followed up with a left as Ortiz slumped against the corner to put him down for good. Ortiz appeared to be completely unconscious.

    Silva defeated former world champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. via split decision June 19 in Guadalajara, Mexico. That was Silva's first pro boxing match in 16 years.

    The Silva-Ortiz bout -- Ortiz's pro boxing debut -- took place on the undercard of the Evander Holyfield-Vitor Belfort boxing match under the Triller Fight Club banner at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino.

    "I trained hard to show my respect for boxing," Silva said in his postfight interview. "I continue to work every day to prove my respect for the martial arts and for Wing Chun and for Bruce Lee.

    "The grandmaster Bruce Lee said, 'Be water, my friend.' That's what I do today."

    Both Silva and Ortiz are 46 years old. The bout was contracted for eight, two-minute rounds and at 195 pounds. Ortiz weighed five pounds over that catchweight limit Friday, coming in at 200 pounds.

    Silva is the former longtime UFC middleweight champion and considered one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time. The Brazil native holds the longest winning streak in UFC history (16) and has the most knockouts ever in UFC title fights at seven. Silva asked for and was granted his release from UFC in November. "The Spider" had just one win in his past nine UFC fights, and Silva has said he is effectively retired from MMA.

    Ortiz, meanwhile, is one of the best UFC light heavyweight champions of all time. "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" had five successful 205-pound title defenses in UFC, the second-highest total in division history behind only all-time great Jon Jones. Ortiz, a California native, is also considered one of the biggest financial draws for UFC over the years, with notable rivalries against Chuck Liddell and Ken Shamrock.

    Ortiz most recently fought in December 2019 in an MMA bout against former WWE champion Alberto Del Rio under the Combate Americas banner. Ortiz won that bout via first-round submission.
    There's probably vid of this match somewhere but I haven't bothered to look...
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