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    not quite a bust

    Some regulations in Hanoi
    Monday ,Nov 09,2009, Posted at: 15:20(GMT+7)
    Government to keep tabs on Chinese medicine clinics

    The Ministry of Health has ordered provincial health authorities to closely monitor traditional Chinese medicine clinics where Chinese nationals are employed, Pham Vu Khanh, head of the Traditional Medicine Department, said November 8.
    A traditional Chinese medicine clinic at an unidentified location with a board in front with the list of ailments the clinic purports to cure. The Government has begun to crack down on dubious practices by such clinics.

    Health departments around the country have also been asked to monitor advertisements, medicine prices, and treatment at these clinics as well as issue of licenses for them, and their legal documents.

    Many traditional Chinese medicine clinics operate in Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, and major provinces and often make claims in advertisements that they can cure many irremediable diseases.

    They also reportedly sell medicines of unclear origins at very high prices and have Chinese nationals working there with false qualifications

    There are 64 Chinese doctors known to authorities to be practicing at 54 clinics around the country. In Hanoi alone, there are 23.
    By Tr. Kien – Translated by Hoang Yen
    And too much heavy metal in some OTC med (at least it's not balsamic vinegar )

    Recall of proprietary Chinese medicine with excessive heavy metal

    Hong Kong (HKSAR) - The Department of Health (DH) today (November 9) urged members of the public not to buy or use a proprietary Chinese medicine (pCm)named "XUE FU ZHU YU TANG" as it was found to have exceeded the heavy metal limit. The product, with batch number P040604, was manufactured in Taiwan and imported by Jin Ja Pharmaceutical Company Limited, a local pCM wholesaler. The appeal was made in view of the detection of levels of lead exceeding the maximum permitted in "XUE FU ZHU YU TANG"during the DH's surveillance exercise.

    A spokesman for the department said chronic exposure to lead may lead to anaemia, joint and muscle pain, brain and kidney damage. The DH inspected the wholesaler this afternoon and instructed the wholesaler to recall the product from the market. Jin Ja Pharmaceutical Company Limited has set up a hotline 2332 5253 to answer public enquiries about the recall arrangement.

    Members of the public can also contact the DH's hotline 2319 8600 during office hours. The spokesman urged members of the public who have used the product to stop taking it immediately and to seek advice from healthcare professionals if they feel unwell. Chinese medicine practitioners who have obtained the product from the wholesaler are advised to withhold the prescription and inform their patients accordingly.

    They should submit the product to the wholesaler or the DH's Chinese Medicines Section on the second floor, Public Health Laboratory Centre, 382 Nam Cheong Street, Kowloon, during office hours.
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    moldy drugs...

    Maybe the mold was the drug...
    Thursday ,Dec 17,2009, Posted at: 14:00(GMT+7)
    Chinese medicine clinics fall foul of health department

    Traditional Chinese medicine clinics in Hanoi have been found in breach of several health regulations, said Hanoi’s Department of Health.

    Investigators carried out surprise inspections at several clinics on December 16 and discovered a host of violations.

    Many Chinese doctors were working without permission from the Vietnamese Government and unlicensed practitioners were discovered working at clinics Truong Giang Trung Quoc, Hoa Viet and a branch of Chinese Medicine on Dai Co Viet Street.

    In addition, the clinics were selling medicines at prices higher than health department regulations stipulate.

    One clinic at 298 Nguyen Trai Street in district Thanh Xuan, was also found using moldy drugs.

    There are 64 Chinese doctors known to authorities practicing at 54 clinics around the country. In Hanoi alone, there are 23 clinics.
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    The opposite side of the debate

    Considering the size of Singapore and the proliferation of TCM there, these stats aren't bad at all. I'd be curious to see how they stack up against Western medical doctor complaints.
    Complaints against TCM practitioners falling
    Posted: 13 January 2010 1312 hrs

    SINGAPORE: The number of complaints against practitioners of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) has been falling.

    In reply to a question in parliament from Ang Mo Kio GRC MP Lam Pin Min, Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan said there were six complaints last year, seven in 2008 and ten in 2007.

    The complaints were mainly related to allegations of professional negligence, misconduct and the misuse of Western medicine.

    Dr Lam also asked if TCM practitioners need to be covered by professional indemnity against costs and damages in clinical negligence cases.

    To this, Mr Khaw replied that the TCM Practitioners Board encourages all registered TCM practitioners to be covered by professional indemnity insurance on a voluntary basis.
    Jan 13, 2010
    23 grouses against sinsehs

    THE number of registered Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) practitioners in Singapore has grown to 2,421.

    And over the past three years, the TCM Practitioners Board received 23 complaints against the registered practitioners: 10 in 2007, seven in 2008 and six last year.

    The complaints were mainly related to allegations of professional negligence, misconduct and the misuse of Western medicine, said Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan in a written response to Dr Lam Pin Min, MP for Tanjong Pagar GRC in Parliament on Tuesday.

    The TCM Practitioners Board encourages all registered TCM practitioners to be covered by professional indemnity insurance on a voluntary basis.
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    arsenic plasters

    How many Dr. Wangs & vendor Zhaos are there in China?
    TCM doctor sells lethal medicine

    A traditional Chinese medicine doctor surnamed Wang with more than 20 years of experience has been charged with the accidental murder of two patients, the Beijing Times reported yesterday.

    Wang bought plasters and other traditional Chinese forms of medicine from an unlicensed vendor surnamed Zhao in April 2009. He sold them on to two patients surnamed Liu and Li in May, but they died shortly afterwards. Tests confirmed that the plasters contained lethal doses of arsenic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    How many Dr. Wangs & vendor Zhaos are there in China?
    There are multiple violations here!
    1. Unlicensed TCM practitioner
    2. The company/individual who sold the arsenic laced plaster
    3. A combination of the QA/QC (both internal and external) personnel who approved and signed off that the product was safe!

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    Busted TCM

    14%. Yikes.
    Western ingredients and fourth-grade toxins found in Chinese medicine
    Updated Friday, February 26, 2010 9:53 am TWN, The China Post news staff

    The Consumers' Foundation of Chinese Taipei found 14 percent of the Chinese medicine contains ingredients of western medicine, and even discovered fourth-grade toxin in some of the examined Chinese medicine, local media reported yesterday.

    Conducting a test on Chinese medicine available to the public in 2009, the foundation found 26 of the 187 Chinese medicine samples contain Western ingredients and 35 percent of the problematic medicine was imported from China. Pain-relieve medication was the most dangerous as 7 of the 16 tested samples were found mixed with western medicine.

    With the result of the test similar to that of 2008, it seems the problem of Chinese medicine mixed with western medicine has not been improved, added Hsieh Tien-jen, chairman of the foundation.

    Diazepam (二氮平), a mental tranquilizer, also a kind of fourth-grade toxin, was found in 3 samples. However, they were prescribed to cure constipation. Despite no severe immediate problems, this ingredient is likely to cause addiction after long-term use, said Yu Kai-hsiung, the publisher of the foundation's magazine

    As for the examination of heavy metal content of Chinese medicine, only three out of the 228 samples did not conform to the current regulation, which requires the content to be lower than 100 parts per million (ppm). Compared with Hong Kong's rule which demands the content to be below 15 pmm, the looser rule in Taiwan should be adjusted as some patients do suffer from lead poisoning after they take Chinese medicines with an excess of heavy metal, explained Hsieh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    14%. Yikes.
    That is why I go out of my way to make sure the herbs I buy and sell are tested.

    way too many suppliers out there could care less and give their customers the lowest grades of herbs sold as highest grade.

    This was why I started my business in the first place to offer people great medicine that will not break the bank as well as offer the best quality herbs.

    They are much more expensive, but why would I harm people when I want to help them? It does not make sense, but then most people worship money too much to care about people.
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    Dr. Lamb?

    Never, never, never go to an Asian doc named Dr. Lamb.

    Beauty therapist left clients blistered
    Last updated 11:56 09/03/2010

    A practitioner of Chinese medicine has been found to have breached patients' rights after two women experienced severe reactions to hair removal treatment he provided.

    Both women complained to the Health and Disability Commissioner after they developed redness, pain and blisters following intense pulsed light (IPL) treatment.

    The first woman said she was told by the practitioner that she would need six treatments, for which she prepaid. After the first session, she was given an information sheet which warned of the possible side-effects of IPL.

    She was also given an information sheet explaining the procedure. One of the steps outlined involved testing a patch of skin to determine sensitivity.

    The commissioner's report, released today, found the practitioner did not test the woman's skin.

    After four uneventful treatments, she experienced some redness on the fifth treatment and severe pain on the sixth. Within 36 hours her legs blistered and she sought help from a medical centre.

    She also saw a dermatologist who told her too much energy had been used during the procedure.

    She returned to the clinic where the practitioner agreed to fully refund her fees.

    The second woman also agreed to six pre-paid treatments and did not have her skin tested. She experienced "very painful" and blistered legs after the third treatment.

    She also visited a dermatologist who told her too much energy had been used during the treatment but that the hyperpigmented scarring on her legs would improve with time.

    Deputy health and disability commissioner Rae Lamb found that the first woman had been given information about the treatment after her first session so she was not able to make an informed consent.

    She also found that because the skin test was not performed on either woman, the practitioner had failed to follow the required safety procedures.

    On Ms Lamb's recommendation, the practitioner had further training, updated his procedure manual, and apologised to the women.

    Ms Lamb also warned the practitioner that he needed to remove the title "Dr" from his clinic's website as he was not a registered health professional.

    The man told the inquiry he studied Chinese medicine and medicinal beauty in China and had performed IPL hair removal treatment to nearly 1000 clients over three years.
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    Toad venom?

    I could go a lot of ways with toad venom. Shoot, where's uki when you really need him?

    Anyone know more about Six God Tablets?

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    Clinic head arrested for toad venom pills

    The 81-year-old operator of a San Francisco clinic has been charged in federal court after he sold pills - purportedly for fighting colds - that contained arsenic and a hallucinogenic chemical found in toad venom, authorities say.

    Edward Feng, the owner of Feng's Holistic Healing Center at 1314 Utah St., also known as China House Clinic, sold a vial of pills to Kathleen Millikin of Watsonville in May 2009 that he said would combat the flu, investigators said.

    Millikin, now 62, took four of the tablets and soon developed an earache, Special Agent Hilary Rickher of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration wrote in an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco.

    About a day later, Millikin's hands swelled, peeled and erupted in painful blisters, a condition that remained for a week, Rickher wrote. Millikin went back to Feng at his clinic - in the shadow of San Francisco General Hospital - and showed him her hands, and he "denied the tablets were the cause," the affidavit said.

    Feng wrote down the name of the tablets in Chinese on a piece of paper for Millikin, investigators said. Translated, it means, "Six God Tablet," or "Six Spirit Pills." An FDA analysis revealed that the pills contained arsenic and bufotenine, which is derived from toad venom.

    In March of this year, an undercover FDA agent bought five vials of the pills from Feng, Rickher wrote. Feng conceded that the pills contained frog poison, but called it "good poison," the affidavit said.

    Millikin's son, Nicholas Eckel, went to Feng around the same time as his mother for alternative treatment of his testicular cancer, Rickher wrote. A friend had told Millikin that Feng was a "foot acupressurist," the affidavit said.

    As part of the treatment, Feng jammed metal probes into Eckel's foot, causing so much pain that he "could almost not walk after treatment," Millikin told investigators.

    Feng was arrested May 24 and charged with introducing misbranded drugs into interstate commerce. He is free on $10,000 bond. He is not licensed to practice medicine in California, nor does he have a Drug Enforcement Administration license to distribute controlled substances, the FDA says.

    In an interview, Feng denied any wrongdoing, saying he only wants to help people.

    Speaking in Mandarin and English, Feng said he has been a "Chinese traditional doctor" since 1982. "I helped hundreds and thousands of people before," he said. He said he would not "try to make people sick."

    Millikin expressed delight that Feng had been charged, describing him as a "quack" who "almost killed my son."

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    Singapore ethical standards

    Intriguing case...
    TCM physician successful in appeal for lighter sentence
    By Amir Hussain, TODAY | Posted: 06 October 2012 0603 hrs

    SINGAPORE: A Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) physician, who was censured by the TCM Practitioners Board for prescribing four Panamol (paracetamol) tablets to a patient, has been successful in his appeal to the High Court for a lighter sentence.

    The board's sentence was harsher than precedent sentences and Tang Yeow Leong, 52, had not prescribed any other medicine for the patient, Justice Lai Siu Chiu said on Friday.

    She cut Tang's three-month licence suspension to two months and reduced his S$5,000 fine to S$4,000.

    Tang had prescribed the pills to a patient for acute backache after a TCM massage in May 2010. Under the TCM Practitioners Act, TCM physicians are only allowed to prescribe Chinese medicines.

    Worried about the unlabelled tablets, the patient contacted the Health Sciences Authority, which lodged a complaint with the board after conducting an analysis one of the tablets.

    An inspection of Tang's clinic on Sept 16, 2010 also turned up small bags containing tablets of Panamol.

    Tang's lawyer, Mr Daniel Xu, said Tang had given the pills "kindheartedly" to a patient who was in "exceptional pain". He argued that the board's sentence was excessive. Mr Xu also asked for the fine to be reduced to S$2,000.

    But board representative Rebecca Chew said attempts to breach or flout ethical standards should be viewed seriously.
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    scope of practice is scope of practice.

    They were not herbal medicine in the least.

    They have rules to protect patients as well as practitioners.
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    scope of practice is scope of practice.

    They were not herbal medicine in the least.

    They have rules to protect patients as well as practitioners.
    well said...

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    Slightly OT

    How do you fence sea cucumber?
    1 charged, 1 sought in Monterey Park sea cucumber, ginseng thefts
    November 1, 2012 | 11:25 pm


    Second suspect

    Monterey Park police Thursday released an image of a second suspect in a string of recent robberies at traditional Chinese medicine stores.

    The picture, pulled from a security camera on a Garvey Avenue storefront, depicts a man pacing in front of an herbal remedy store before, authorities say, he ran in and seized a container of ginseng.

    Man Van Truong, 56, accused of being an accomplice, was arrested Monday and charged Wednesday with two counts of burglary and one count of attempted robbery. Truong remains in custody; bail was set at $120,000.

    Police believe the two men could be involved with as many as three thefts at medicine stores within a week and at least one other theft at a San Gabriel store. In each case, police said, one of the men attempted to grab containers of the herbal remedies and flee into a waiting vehicle, which witnesses described as a black Honda sedan and gave similar license plate numbers.

    Ginseng and sea cucumber are highly valued in Chinese medicine for a wide array of supposed healing properties. They are also highly valued on the black market: One pound of ginseng can retail for $300, and a pound of sea cucumber can cost more than $100.

    Still, repeated daylight robberies of Chinese medicine stores are unusual, authorities said.

    "I've never heard or seen anything like this before," said Det. Gil Alvarez of the Monterey Park Police Department.

    Anyone with information about the second suspect or similar thefts should call Alvarez at (626) 307-1226 or Det. Arlene Guevara at (626) 307-1428.
    I'm guessing this is for a sick family member and they can't afford the medicine. Or is there a significant black market for legal TCM herbs? I know there is a black market for the illegal stuff, but there's always a black market for illegal stuff.
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    Slightly OT

    Xie wasn't a 'TCM practitioner'. He was just hoping to run a scam.

    Chinese man’s giant human-shaped vegetable turns out to be a man-made fake
    Massive 12kg tuber found on a building site was thought to be a valuable root used in traditional medicine, but it was actually just a sweet potato
    PUBLISHED : Wednesday, 07 February, 2018, 3:10pm
    UPDATED : Wednesday, 07 February, 2018, 3:10pm
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    A Chinese man who discovered a huge human-shaped root vegetable, which some people thought might be a rare plant used in herbal medicine, described his find as a “treasure”, even though it turned out to be worthless.

    The man, identified only by his surname Xie, said he was amazed when he stumbled on the 80cm (2.6 feet) long tuber, which weighed in at a whopping 12kg (26.5 pounds), while he was working at a construction site in the southern city of Shenzhen, Chongqing News Channel reported on Monday.

    “I was so surprised. I had never seen anything like it before,” he said. “I think it’s a treasure.”

    Chinese firm raises eyebrows with US$25 million staff bonus … paid in cash


    Xie’s friends and neighbours convinced him he had found a giant he shou wu root, which might have been worth a fortune. Photo: Cq.qq.com

    When Xie was preparing to head home to Chongqing for the Lunar New Year holiday, he packed up the giant vegetable with the rest of things.

    It was only when he got back to the southwestern megacity and chatted to his friends and neighbours that he began to think his find might be something special.

    The consensus was that it was the root of a Polygonum multiflorum plant, known as he shou wu in China and tuber fleeceflower in North America.

    In traditional Chinese medicine, the plant, which grows in the mountains of central and southern China, is regarded for its rejuvenating properties, with the roots used for everything from promoting fertility to restoring hair colour.

    Now you see it ... Chinese road vanishes overnight as thief digs up some fast cash

    Keen to find out more, Xie got in touch with his local television station and an investigation was launched.

    Members of the public interviewed on the Daily 360 show on Monday were in no doubt as to what he had unearthed.

    “It’s 100 per cent a he shou wu herb – look at its leaves,” said a man who claimed to be a farmer.

    A woman was more poetic in her description of the giant root.

    “It could have become an elf, but you dug it up before it had chance to run away,” she said.


    One woman suggested the giant root might have grown up to be an elf. Photo: Cq.qq.com

    Despite their collective certainty, a local scientist contacted by the television station had bad news for Xie and his optimistic entourage.

    “It’s a sweet potato,” said Yang Min, director of pharmaceutical preparations at Chongqing Traditional Chinese Medicine Hospital.

    “When you see a root with such a regular shape, it has almost certainly been moulded into shape.”

    The giveaway was the discrepancy in the proportions of the root and leaves, he said.

    “This can’t be he shou wu, because they grow very slowly. The leaves are disproportionately thin compared with the root, which [to get to such a size] would have taken several decades to grow.”

    Although Xie’s vegetable did not cost him anything, Yang said there had been cases of people growing sweet potatoes in moulds and then selling them on to unsuspecting buyers.


    A scientist said the anthropomorphic root was a sweet potato that had probably been moulded into shape. Photo: Cq.qq.com

    In 2016, a man in central China’s Hubei province paid 8,000 yuan (US$1,270) for a human-shaped he shou wu root, which also turned out to be a sweet potato.

    While there is no evidence to support the belief that human-shaped plants are any more efficacious than their regular counterparts, in 2015, auction firm Artron Auction put an estimate of HK$200,000 (US$25,600) to HK$400,000 on an anthropomorphic root weighing just 297 grams (10.5 ounces).

    Despite coming so close to a possible fortune, Xie was phlegmatic about his new “friend”.

    “It probably took a long time to grow this big,” he said. “It looks like a human, and it’s wild.”
    That's a lot of scratch for a sweet potato.


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    Sherman Lai continued

    More on Sherman Lai here.

    Guelph police lay more sexual assault charges against acupuncturist
    by MARK DOUGLAS
    Posted Feb 12, 2018 1:07 pm EST


    570 News - Adam Haga

    A sexual assault investigation against a man who used to practice traditional Chinese medicine in Guelph has escalated: weapons-related charges have now been laid.

    Between the end of last October and mid-January this year, 58-year-old Sherman Lai had been charged with nine counts of sexual assault, involving alleged abuse against former patients.

    Guelph Police are saying today, new charges against Lai include four more counts of sexual assault — bringing the total to 13.

    But now he’s also been charged with ‘assault with a weapon,’ ‘possession of a weapon,’ and ‘uttering death threats.’

    Investigators say these charges also relate to former patients.

    Police say Lai operated the Centre of Integrative Natural Medicine on Surrey Street for over 20 years, before relocating to Morriston.
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