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    Xiao Luohan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuan View Post
    Can anyone tell me why these Shaolin forms have so many alternating 180 degree directional moves? Were they developed from urban fighting in hallways and alleys? Most the simple forms I know go through at least 90 degree increments, and the more complex ones 45 degree or 60 degree directions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuan View Post
    Amiuofo

    It took a long while to get the steps and rhythm of Da Luohan to where there is some flow and honestly its a serious grind. Ironically, you're article with Shi De Cheng was what sparked my interest in the correct way of walking this road, the other Da Luohan I was practicing was actually JinTong Luohan Quan, this version taught by Shi De Yang and Shi De Cheng was called Lao Luohan Quan, and has only a couple variations. Its the right one though and takes a lot of drilling segment by segment. I spent months on each segment. Just to get to some fundamental fluidity.
    Needless to say, at this point, between research and sweat, Im too invested in it to stop practicing it now lol....
    And I still read your book and articles all the time . Such a treasure map, and reservoir of insight

    Amituofo!
    heres a walkthrough of Da Luohan I've been working on....it's still a lot to iron out here make it flow where it feels right



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    Quote Originally Posted by YinOrYan View Post
    Can anyone tell me why these Shaolin forms have so many alternating 180 degree directional moves? Were they developed from urban fighting in hallways and alleys? Most the simple forms I know go through at least 90 degree increments, and the more complex ones 45 degree or 60 degree directions.
    2 main reasons I've heard are military style line drills of warrior monks, and them training that way in small training halls.
    ....and also training space for shrinking chi. "should be able to train in the area it takes an ox to rest"
    theres probably a few other reasons as well

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    good references

    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Canzonieri View Post
    Here's as many as I could find of Luohan style videos, if you find more to add, let me know and I will update.
    By the way, Shaolin Quan was originally called Shaolin Chui, as was Luohan Quan originally called Luohan Chui, before the Qing Dynasty era.

    Luohan Quan Yi Lu taught by Shi Degen - also called Xiao Luohan Quan in Dengfeng / Tagou school (as taught by Liu Zhen Hai):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr3q4vhzr58 First 60 of the 85 postures
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO3k55h_HLA (same form, black background)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ppmJVwuOM0 (also shortened)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sKH-zLYjEg (also shortened)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18xrEtJjUTI (also shortened)

    Da Luohan Quan (as taught by Liu Zhen Hai), first 30 postures of 85 in correct order:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRPOiHl18mA

    Lao Jia (old frame) Luohan Quan (also called 3 Section Luohan) - Shi Deyang's version (this set often called Xiao Luohan today because it is like a summary of Da Luohan):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDRkqO4Y7U4

    Shaolin Er Lu Luohan Quan (also known as Refined Luohan Quan) - a modern times set:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZzRcb5SXTY (shortened)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0IDQpkzPVc (just first third of set)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLnUJhm8O7Q (too fast and much abbreviated)

    Shaolin Luohan Quan 27 Postures:
    (no videos yet)

    Shaolin San Lu Luohan Quan:
    (no videos yet)

    Related sets:

    Shaolin Luohan Duan Da:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0vheDniwQE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQDYU98FTTs

    Shaolin Luohan Shi Ba Zhang - 18 PALMS not hands (very rare to see):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rum8qAFB8Wc

    Luohan Shi Ba Shou (originally from Shandong Hua Quan style before entering Shaolin):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raSvF3CiLx4

    Shaolin Luohan Shi Ba Shou Yi Lu (set 1 of 8 sets):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXSi_zzhfzA (Shi deyang's totally mixed up short version, missing moves and moves out of order)

    Shaolin Damo (also known as Luohan) Shi Ba Shou:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o76m4-enGS4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q-Z4tiFkus
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu4YPOG8uvg

    Shaolin Luohan Pu Shen Chui:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYQKuio8mVs

    Shaolin Xinyi Luohan Chui:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbS0aXhvVGA

    Unknown Luohan Quan sets:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yP91ZyILso
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMNCLIkcohA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCWfj9zVU4Y
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3mbYdVPDKc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d8OMqscdrw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZljLs_gYIOs

    Da Luohan Quan from Chan family Nei Jia Quan style (derived from original Shaolin Luohan Quan in Henan from the 1600s):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRjvN5U8tRc

    Southern Shaolin - Choy Li Fut Luohan Pu Hu Quan (Fuk Fu Kune), the closest you can get to seeing what Luohan Quan might have originally looked like since Choy Gar is directly from Northern Shaolin, it is only two-three generations away from founder Monk Jue Yuan. Jue Yuan taught Yi Quan, who taught the founder of Choy (Chu) Gar.

    The first couple pages of this thread is full of great information to start.
    One thing I see in common, Da Luohan Er Lu has a few versions, where the song is just in a different order, same steps however. For example, Shi Degen's 85 postures is scattered in Zhang Shi Jie's version and Shi De Ci, Shi De Yang, Shi De Cheng, all have similar roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuan View Post
    The first couple pages of this thread is full of great information to start.
    One thing I see in common, Da Luohan Er Lu has a few versions, where the song is just in a different order, same steps however. For example, Shi Degen's 85 postures is scattered in Zhang Shi Jie's version and Shi De Ci, Shi De Yang, Shi De Cheng, all have similar roads.
    Yeah, I read at least the first couple pages of this thread. Its too bad the video that guy was obsessing over is now a dead link. Now I'm really curious what that was all about.

    In regard to the list of videos you are commenting on. There is a great jump in the Luohan fist performed by Shi Yanzi. I work hard at trying to stay up in the air like that when on the dance floor (or rather above it). Its something I learned from ballet but now I'm going to start looking for it in kung fu videos. Please let me know if anyone has link to any other good examples, that is, without special effects.

    I also like the first form on that video called Shi De Jian 师 釋德建 Shaolin 18 Hands 少林 汉十八手. It was very well done slow like tai chi...

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