Health Care Debate

[1bad65]

Because Lockerbie was justified? Or blowing up nightclubs? Sending assassins to kill Libyans who fled the country? The Munich Massacre?

And notice Kaddafy was not linked to new terrorist attacks after Reagan took bold action.

[BoulderDawg]

Back to health care:

Harry Reid just announced they will introduce a bill with a public option.

Good news. Had they of wimped out the only vote they would have gained would have been Sen Snow. It jusr wasn't worth it.

Now we have to see if we can get 60 votes to prevent a filabuster. I look at it like this: If I was a democratic blue dog senator I believe I would at least give my party a straight up and down vote on the bill. I would vote against the filabuster and against the bill. I think that's fair. If a Democratic senator feels he has to vote for the filabuster then I don't why he would call himself a democrat. The one that concerns me is Leiberman. I think if he destoys the health care bill in the senate he should just quietly move to the other side of the room.

[Drake]

How dare people think outside of party lines and instead focus on what they think is right. Evil folks, going against the status quo.

Not every democrat universally accepts the health care plan, just as not every republican is against it, nor should they be.

[Drake]

And notice Kaddafy was not linked to new terrorist attacks after Reagan took bold action.

Too bad Bush v1.0 and 2.0 couldn't amount to even a quarter of Reagan's ability. I definitely feel Reagan would not be too approving of the mudslinging tactics going on from the Republicans these days. I think the harshest he ever criticized a political oppenent was to say " There you go again..."

McCain flat out lied when he said he'd bring back honor to politics, and then became one of the most vile campaigners ever. Not McCain himself, per se, but his campaign managers ruined his chances at election.

[MasterKiller]

[BoulderDawg]

Anyway, just heard that Leiberman will vote for a filabuster. Rachael Maddow said tonight that this is a first. No senator has ever filabustered his own party to keep a bill from being voted on.

I think it's time Leiberman just announced he was a GOP and be done with it. I do think after this he'll have zero power in the Democratic party should he decide to stay.

[ittokaos]

Funny. Would be believeable too if Socialists multiplied before they took and gave to someone else. That way I would still have mine you just have some too.

[1bad65]

Funny. Would be believeable too if Socialists multiplied before they took and gave to someone else. That way I would still have mine you just have some too.

So true.

And remember, Jesus advocated people working to better themselves, not just sitting around expecting others to take care of you.

[BoulderDawg]

So true.

And remember, Jesus advocated people working to better themselves, not just sitting around expecting others to take care of you.

Who doesn't? It's the liberals who advocate jobs training programs, day care programs for workers and continuing education for adults. The neos have fought them tooth and nail to strip money from these programs.

Once again, the vile nature of the attacks by the right is disgusting. I don't know of any group of people that avocate people doing nothing. To suggest as much is just playing vile game of politics.

What's bad is the further we get into the Obama admin the worse these type of attacks go. Noticed Bad's attempt to paint those on the left as anti-semantic. Notice the increased attacks on civil rights leaders like Rev Sharpton and Rev Jackson.

Is this where the conservative right really wants to go?

[MasterKiller]

So I should bust my a$$ so that I can be taxed like crazy and barely afford to provide for my own family so you can have health care. TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN CRAP!! I'LL TAKE CARE OF MY OWN FAMILIES BILLS. HOW BOUT THAT.

You better start your own Fire Dept in case your house catches fire. Wouldn't want your tax dollars contributing to anything you didn't use while other people did...

While you're at it, better start your own school system so you can teach your kids. And make sure you coach them in all the sports, act as cheerleader, and pay for the equipment they use and the upkeep of the facilities, both practice and gameday, plus travel.

And since your wife isn't currently being raped at this moment, I guess you don't need the benefit of the local police. God forbid your tax dollars pay to catch some other lousy rapist. You catch your own rapists, I'll catch mine!

All those d@mn welfare moochers using 9-1-1 paid for by my tax dollars better recognize!

[1bad65]

You better start your own Fire Dept in case your house catches fire. Wouldn't want your tax dollars contributing to anything you didn't use while other people did...

While you're at it, better start your own school system so you can teach your kids. And make sure you coach them in all the sports, act as cheerleader, and pay for the equipment they use and the upkeep of the facilities, both practice and gameday, plus travel.

And since your wife isn't currently being raped at this moment, I guess you don't need the benefit of the local police. God forbid your tax dollars pay to catch some other lousy rapist. You catch your own rapists, I'll catch mine!

Get real.

First off, those are LOCAL examples. Not FEDERAL. Second, show me where the Constitution says it's the taxpayers/Governments job to give checks to people who have made irresponsible decisions....

The system in place now is ridiculous. If a 15 year old girl gets knocked up, she gets free checks. We can argue whether or not that's a good idea. But look at it this way; If she gets knocked up again at 17, we give her BIGGER checks! Is that a good system? Why reward someone for repeatedly making bad decisions? How is that helping them better themselves?

[1bad65]

All those d@mn welfare moochers using 9-1-1 paid for by my tax dollars better recognize!

Many conservatives, me included, do not agree with them getting checks. So don't say that's something conservatives are for.

[1bad65]

Notice the increased attacks on civil rights leaders like Rev Sharpton and Rev Jackson.

Is this where the conservative right really wants to go?

Dude, Sharpton got found liable by a jury of his peers for LYING (slander) about another man. Jackson knocked up a mistress. Those racist pieces of garbage are not Christians. They give Christians a bad name.

Does the liberal/Democrat Party really want to claim them?

[MasterKiller]

First off, those are LOCAL examples. Not FEDERAL. Second, show me where the Constitution says it's the taxpayers/Governments job to give checks to people who have made irresponsible decisions....

Not everyone seeking government assistance does so because of poor decisions. When I was 20, my appendix popped and the state covered it because I was a full-time student and under 21. If I would have had to pay for it (the bill was over 15K for a two-week hospital stay), I would not have been able to finish school. I was on scholarship as it was, and was already working.

Being healthy is a fundamental human right.

The system in place now is ridiculous. If a 15 year old gilr gets knocked up, she gets free checks. We can argue whether or not that's a good idea. But look at it this way; If she gets knocked up again at 17, we give her BIGGER checks! Is that a good system? Why reward someone for repeatedly making bad decisions? How is that helping them better themselves?

If you make a 15 year old girl quit school to pay for a baby, she has no option to better herself. She's doomed herself.

If a 15 year old commits a crime, they aren't usually even tried as an adult. But you expect a girl, just because she had a baby, to grow the f@ck up and pay for her mistake.

Multiple babies is abuse. But rich people abuse systems, too.

But if you don't provide kids, especially low-income kids, with access to proper sex education in the first place, you are pretty much dooming them to a self-fullfilling prophecy.

[MasterKiller]

And btw, I know plenty of active military personnel that qualify for food stamps and use them.