Shaolin Tong Bi Quan

[Eugene]

is it safe to say that like, before one learns Da Hong Quan one must learn Xiao Hong Quan it is the same with Da Tong Bi Quan must be learned after Xiao Tong Bi Quan. And the Tong Bi as in De Yangs Demonstration.

Mr. Canzonieri deserves a stutue of some kind !

Its wonderfull that things get sort out !

I did not read somewhere why de Tong Bi Quan is the third routine in the 10 set but then again I didnt read all info to this day yet.

Does anyone have this experience with * Back Through Boxing * or Full arm Boxing ? That at the end of the routine energie fills the arms ?

And also with all respect, what makes these routines called Tong Bi if half the postures also excist in other routines ...because I am wondering if some postures excist in other sets how can it be called * Full Arm Boxing or Back Through Boxing * I am only thinking that this Energie going to the arms also happens in other sets maybe.

I really want to understand this Boxing method

Peace Eugene !

[Sal Canzonieri]

is it safe to say that like, before one learns Da Hong Quan one must learn Xiao Hong Quan it is the same with Da Tong Bi Quan must be learned after Xiao Tong Bi Quan. And the Tong Bi as in De Yangs Demonstration.

Mr. Canzonieri deserves a stutue of some kind !

Its wonderfull that things get sort out !

I did not read somewhere why de Tong Bi Quan is the third routine in the 10 set but then again I didnt read all info to this day yet.

Does anyone have this experience with * Back Through Boxing * or Full arm Boxing ? That at the end of the routine energie fills the arms ?

And also with all respect, what makes these routines called Tong Bi if half the postures also excist in other routines ...because I am wondering if some postures excist in other sets how can it be called * Full Arm Boxing or Back Through Boxing * I am only thinking that this Energie going to the arms also happens in other sets maybe.

I really want to understand this Boxing method

Peace Eugene !

No, Xiao firs, then Da in the Hong Quan.

But in Tongbi Quan, it is Da first, then Xiao.

Most of the Shaolin sets build upon previous sets learned, so that why you see some postures from other sets.
The sets are learned in the order of skills to be mastered.

If you practice the sets correctly, you don't have to worry about what 'energy' is doing what, it happens automatically.

Tongbi means really (not what most people say, because they don't understand how to translate concepts from Chinese to English) to "pierce through the arms".
It's concerned with getting power into the strike from the floor through the heel through the leg to the knee to spiral around the waist (intensify) through the spine to the shoulders through the elbows to the hands and out.

It's what a gibbon does when it swings from vine to vine. The gibbon has to reach out (pierce) and point. Watch some videos of this animal.

The more you do, the more you will understand.

As one of my teacher's teacher once said: "You do 20 times then you tell me if you have question".

[Eugene]

Sal Canzonieri ->>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSNB4ZNfs6k (old Shaolin way of doing the set - same as in Shaolin Encyclopedia, but with more transition movements shown. Longer and more detailed than Tagou version of this set. Still not as many postures and movements as Liu Zhenhai's Er Lu version, but very close.) THE BEST VERSION OF SHAOLIN DA TONGBI QUAN readily available to see.

Does this mean that the performence of the Da Tong Bi of this video, is the best version to see ? I am from Holland and my English is not in the best condition

Greetings from Eugene

[Eugene]

And btw Ty for your awnser, I will check some vids of a Gibbon

Eugene

[Sal Canzonieri]

Sal Canzonieri ->>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSNB4ZNfs6k (old Shaolin way of doing the set - same as in Shaolin Encyclopedia, but with more transition movements shown. Longer and more detailed than Tagou version of this set. Still not as many postures and movements as Liu Zhenhai's Er Lu version, but very close.) THE BEST VERSION OF SHAOLIN DA TONGBI QUAN readily available to see.

Does this mean that the performence of the Da Tong Bi of this video, is the best version to see ? I am from Holland and my English is not in the best condition

Greetings from Eugene

Yes. it is, until something better comes along.

[Eugene]

Very Cool, because I love the way this old man does his set.

Greetings Eugene

[Eugene]

I have watched the old Da Tong alomost all day and noticed that after each blow or when he has a fist he, seems to grab some thing * maybe fruit * and goes into a fist again.

Especially when he comes up from 0:22 sec, the left hands grabs a apple lets say, or someones wrist, it has the move of an ape

at :27 secs he closes his hands into fist, or grabs something again

also from the 0:36 sec, he seems to grab something a bit far away, also maybe a apple or a wrist ??

The whole form seems to be on grabbing something, or taking something and then return it with blows, maybe I am way off this now, but ..... if it is of 1 % help to the Tong subject..

( I hope there is not a posture describing of these moves, then am screwd ! :P

Peace Eugene

[Sal Canzonieri]

I have watched the old Da Tong alomost all day and noticed that after each blow or when he has a fist he, seems to grab some thing * maybe fruit * and goes into a fist again.

Especially when he comes up from 0:22 sec, the left hands grabs a apple lets say, or someones wrist, it has the move of an ape

at :27 secs he closes his hands into fist, or grabs something again

also from the 0:36 sec, he seems to grab something a bit far away, also maybe a apple or a wrist ??

The whole form seems to be on grabbing something, or taking something and then return it with blows, maybe I am way off this now, but ..... if it is of 1 % help to the Tong subject..

( I hope there is not a posture describing of these moves, then am screwd ! :P

Peace Eugene

The rule is "when you reach out , always return with something back".

[Eugene]

Thanks again Mr, Canzonieri,

Is there any information available about the Da Tong Bi posutures set. ( the lyrics )

of Shi De Yang or this Old Monk ?

Greetings Eugene

[RenDaHai]

Hey Sal,

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSNB4ZNfs6k

You posted i couldn't see before... Now i do I think it is really amazing. This really is the best Da tong bei I've seen. It also unites the differences in the wu gu lun form, without dropping any moves. It is such a great version. But you say liu zhen hais book is even better??

Do you know anything about the monk in the video?

[Sal Canzonieri]

Thanks again Mr, Canzonieri,

Is there any information available about the Da Tong Bi posutures set. ( the lyrics )

of Shi De Yang or this Old Monk ?

Greetings Eugene

Yes, if you read Chinese.

But there is one book in Chinese and English of the set (exactly like the old man does it) that was published by Shaolin itself.
But, I don't know where you can get it on America. The book has a yellow cover.
step by step in english, in detail after detail, none better out there.
I ordered the whole set of 9 (or so) different books from Japan.

If you read the beginning of the Shaolin Tongbi Quan thread (do a search) here, there is tons of info about these books, also the same book series is mentioned in the Shaolin Luohan Quan thread.

[Sal Canzonieri]

Hey Sal,

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSNB4ZNfs6k

You posted i couldn't see before... Now i do I think it is really amazing. This really is the best Da tong bei I've seen. It also unites the differences in the wu gu lun form, without dropping any moves. It is such a great version. But you say liu zhen hais book is even better??

Do you know anything about the monk in the video?

Liu's version in his book has all the missing movements at the end of the set, and the transition movements between major ones.

This guy does it the best as far as videos go, it's very impressive.

I forgot who he is.
I think someone else had mentioned who he was.
someone's sure to know.

[Sal Canzonieri]

And btw Ty for your awnser, I will check some vids of a Gibbon

Eugene

best example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV-gOL4t9Vk

(other apes arms are too short to do this the same way)

Tongbi is like this, spear the arm out with whole body movement (hip swings from one side to other, like the center moving part of a washing machine does).

Now, these are called "Ape-Monkeys" in Chinese.

On the other hand, the style known as Tongbei Quan is based on the Yellow or Snowy or Hill Macaques, which live in the snowy mountain areas.

[RenDaHai]

@sal

Hey, You know the old guy from the Da Tong Bi video?

Well I just noticed that the same guy is on the intro sequence of LiuZhenHai's VCDs, performing a bit of xiao hong quan.

ANyway, by the looks of the video i think they must have a vcd of him as well! that would be awesome. Also it means he must be realated to LZH's lineage in some way. ALl the videos of him look slightly older, perhaps he is even LZH's master??

I'll do my best to uncover the mystery...

[Eugene]

HERE are the studens of the cool old man, I just came across it by accident, I was looking for Luohan and end up with Da Tong Bi ! haha ( I know this video is somewhere else on this forum )

http://crazymotion.net/shaolin-da-to...QwTNpcjAy.html