Shaolin Tong Bi Quan

[LFJ]

yes, that one is on youtube as well.

this version fills in so many of the missing transitional techniques and postures. i like it a lot.

[Eugene]

I like it alot also, the video really stimulates me.

I dont know when this was recorded, maybe the 80s ? And the man looks like 70 maybe here, so he might have learned this form around 1920, like when he was 10 years....a really wild guess ...

I dont understand yet why Xiao Tong Bi is * a Big set *
And Da Tong Bi is a small set because of the names, I watched Liu his 3 Roads of Xiao , but I dont understand the Xiao of it.

How can I see a road ? Like a free way ? or like 3 different directions from a crosspoint also car speaking to understand it

Peace Eugene

[RenDaHai]

Ok, on the name of TongBei quan,

Sal and I were speculating on this earlier on the thread.

But recently I have uncovered what i beleive is the best explanation;

For those of you familier with ZhenQiGong there is a concept called the Micro-cosmic orbit (xiao jiu tian). It involves circulating Qi on a path from the dan tian, through hui yin, then up through the sacrum, past the kidneys, all the way up the spine, past the jade pillow, and to the top of the head (bai hu) then down past the third eye, through the tongue (or to both sides) and down through the throat, past the solar plexus and back down to the dan tian. This forms a circle.

THere is also a method of using explosive power which starts by moving the hips around the dan tian (the center of mass) and goes in a circular path , up THROUGH THE BACK to the arms. It follows the same path. The 'XIaoJiuTian'.

In zhenqigong when we have feeling throughout an area we say 'TOng', complete, through, together, harmonious. Bei means back. So like 'Tong Bei' means that you have already unlocked the spine to qi flow, or that you are able to pass power up through your spine from your center fo mass, up to your arms. So the style is called TongBei.

TongBi will be similar, but for the arms. TongBei is kind of a profound name that implies the practicioner is already practicing Neigong.

[bawang]

anyone know how to contact sal canzonierir? i tried pming him but he didnt respond

[Graculus]

Did you try his website? http://www.bgtent.com/CMAQigongSchool/index.html
It has a contact email for him.

I know he was always a busy guy, and sometimes touring with his band, so he might be away for a while.



Graculus
http://ichijoji.blogspot.com

[bawang]

u kn ow now that ive seen his website i dont feel like contacting him anymore.

[Sal Canzonieri]

Did you try his website? http://www.bgtent.com/CMAQigongSchool/index.html
It has a contact email for him.

I know he was always a busy guy, and sometimes touring with his band, so he might be away for a while.



Graculus
http://ichijoji.blogspot.com

I'm sorry that my website upset you.
You should have looked at this one instead: http://www.bgtent.com/naturalcma/index.htm

[Sal Canzonieri]

Ok, on the name of TongBei quan,

Sal and I were speculating on this earlier on the thread.

But recently I have uncovered what i beleive is the best explanation;

For those of you familier with ZhenQiGong there is a concept called the Micro-cosmic orbit (xiao jiu tian). It involves circulating Qi on a path from the dan tian, through hui yin, then up through the sacrum, past the kidneys, all the way up the spine, past the jade pillow, and to the top of the head (bai hu) then down past the third eye, through the tongue (or to both sides) and down through the throat, past the solar plexus and back down to the dan tian. This forms a circle.

THere is also a method of using explosive power which starts by moving the hips around the dan tian (the center of mass) and goes in a circular path , up THROUGH THE BACK to the arms. It follows the same path. The 'XIaoJiuTian'.

In zhenqigong when we have feeling throughout an area we say 'TOng', complete, through, together, harmonious. Bei means back. So like 'Tong Bei' means that you have already unlocked the spine to qi flow, or that you are able to pass power up through your spine from your center fo mass, up to your arms. So the style is called TongBei.

TongBi will be similar, but for the arms. TongBei is kind of a profound name that implies the practicioner is already practicing Neigong.

This is correct, according to any Tongbei I have learned.
I my research, Tongbei was developed from Shaolin Hong Quan material and Taoist sword fighting and 13 postures material, hence it would have a serious qi through the back component. They use the ape as a symbol for illustrating the loose quality that tongbei movements have that allow one to bring qi from the ground up through the back and out the arms.

The founder of Tongbei, originally called it Tongbi, when he was fresh from learning Shaolin Hong Quan and Taizu Chang Quan; and then when he was much older and more experienced and greatly influenced by Taoist internal martial arts, he changed it to Tongbei.

[RenDaHai]

Cool Info.


Oh AND

http://crazymotion.net/shaolin-da-to...EpxvIwjAy.html

Remember This video??

THis is certainly the best Da tongbei I have seen. Now I can confirm that it is Master CUI XIQI. Cui Xiqi Da shi was born in 1922! He is still alive and is perhaps the oldest true shaolin master of the current time. He is famous for his skill and though you may not have seen him much before you will certainly have seen his disciples.

He himself was a disciple of the great 'Li GenShen' who was a lay disciple who taught Shaolin in 'DaJinDian' (a town just south of the dengfeng) back in the 1930's. A vast amount of the Forms we currently think of as core shaolin are the versions passed down by LiGenShen. But as we can see from this video the forms have degraded somewhat. This is I beleive how Datongbei should be.

It is still possible to find this master. He is a direct link to the shaolin practiced before the temple burned down in 1928.

[Royal Dragon]

Cool Info.


Oh AND

http://crazymotion.net/shaolin-da-to...EpxvIwjAy.html

Remember This video??

THis is certainly the best Da tongbei I have seen. Now I can confirm that it is Master CUI XIQI. Cui Xiqi Da shi was born in 1922! He is still alive and is perhaps the oldest true shaolin master of the current time. He is famous for his skill and though you may not have seen him much before you will certainly have seen his disciples.

He himself was a disciple of the great 'Li GenShen' who was a lay disciple who taught Shaolin in 'DaJinDian' (a town just south of the dengfeng) back in the 1930's. A vast amount of the Forms we currently think of as core shaolin are the versions passed down by LiGenShen. But as we can see from this video the forms have degraded somewhat. This is I beleive how Datongbei should be.

It is still possible to find this master. He is a direct link to the shaolin practiced before the temple burned down in 1928.

Your Link goes to some sort of strange survey site.


EDIT] Never mind, you have to right click-properties-copy the url and paste into the address window and it works.

[sanshuuk]

To add to the list

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uje4VurcOmo

[Xian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NrLS...&feature=inbox

Is this Cui Xi Qi ?


Kind Regards,
Xian

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I have been thinking about this. It's been proposed that the Tongbi comes form Hongquan and Pao quan right?

But if it's from Han Tong, then wouldn't it really be a ROOT, or at least a parallel evolution to Hong and Pao Quan?

[Sal Canzonieri]

I have been thinking about this. It's been proposed that the Tongbi comes form Hongquan and Pao quan right?

But if it's from Han Tong, then wouldn't it really be a ROOT, or at least a parallel evolution to Hong and Pao Quan?

You are mixing together two different styles with the same name.

Han Tong's Tongbi Quan is from Song era, same was Taizu Chang Quan. Da and Xiao Hong Quan and Pao Quan didn't exist yet. DA HONG QUAN (Wild Swan Boxing) pre-existed most other long fists styles in the Yellow River basin (Henan and elswhere) and LAO HONG QUAN (Ancient Flowing Boxing) was a mixture of Shaolin Rou Quan and Zhao Kuan Yin's Hong Quan that he learned in Shanxi, which was basically this Da Hong Quan (Wild Swan Boxing).

The Tongbi Quan that later became Tongbei Quan is from late Ming era and was derived from the Shaolin Hong Quan system, which at that time was composed of Xiao and Da Hong Quan sets (that are seen today), Taizu Chang Quan sets, and Pao Chui sets, and Tongbei Quan influenced the formation Chen TJQ and other Henan martial arts.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Oh!! Opps, my bad!!