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  1. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    just listen and not making any differentiation mind action.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ahvS...eature=related

    what is that "suchness, wonderful existance within the emptiness" which is supporting the listening if that is not your Original face? But you must not search for it for you will not find it if you search for it. It is just there when you are not searching and making differentiation or discrimination mind action. when you search for "it' , "it" becomes the Mind and like a person cannot see one own face one will not see the Original face while searching. But, Let go and the orginal face is there.

    and

    Can you always protect this suchness effortlessly with ease under all dynamic condition at every instant ;

    so that "it " doesnt become the slave of the thoughts and emotions
    or even ignore behind the scene due to falling into attachement of externally scenery or internal thoughts ( Analogy to your own face, it is always there, not aware of it, use it every instant but a slave of the emotion.)?

    If you can protect it then you to the minimum you have rest the mind/thoughts and make whole the shen. When Shen is whole, Qi will be adequately filled and Blood will be adequate and lively.



    The core of Qigong for health doesnt go beyond the above. From Zen to Dao, it never go beyond the above. The practice of Shen, Qi, Blood, Jing are based on such.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRKYsao2ciY&NR=1

  2. #17
    you are getting sleepy, very sleeeepy...

  3. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post

    What is this mean?

  4. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    hahaha, ofcorse,

    You like to be one dead rock? go a head,

    My post is for those who truely cultivate Zen and Dao to not get stuck into this misleading" No mind, no path, no IS!" path which turn one into dry dead wood and rock.
    Hi Hendrik,

    You have a distinct pattern of imposing your own conceptual fantasies onto others. Rather than misinterpret what others say and seek to criticize what you clearly do not understand.....how about explain what you consider to be dead wood and rock Zen?

    Once you have done so, use that explanation to recognize your own false conceptualizations and assumptions. Then you can work on them to your own benefit rather than worrying so much about what you incorrectly assume to be the confusion of others.

    By the way, I do not think you understand what it means to be dead wood or as a rock, since to be dead as wood and as a rock are one of the most ancient teachings of Zen found within the Tun-huang Ch'an texts:

    "Mind is [unconscious] like tree or stone....

    ....Realize that whatever mind discriminates is merely forms. If you awaken to the fact that mind from the outset has been void-quiescent and know that mind is not itself a form, then mind is unconnected [like dead wood and stone]. Forms are not forms. They are constructed in the manner of an illusion by your own mind. If you merely realize they are not real, then you will attain liberation."


    "IS" and "IS-NOT" are conceptions that are constructions of the mind, just as your incorrect assumptions about what others are talking about are conceptions that are constructions of your own mind!

    Following are some further quotes that use wood and stone differently than you presume:

    “However, if you have no discrimination, do not grasp thought and abandon all views, then the mind, as firm and hard as a piece of wood or stone, will have a chance to realize the Tao." - Huang-Po

    The substance of the Absolute is inwardly like wood or stone, in that it is motionless, and outwardly like the void, in that it is without bounds or obstructions...”- Huang-po

    “Return to the state of plain wood….”-Lao-Tzu


    Your misunderstanding apparently arises from your misapplication of quotes such as the following one from Huang-po:

    "So we must not shut anything out, but try to reach the point where all distinctions are seen to be void, where nothing is seen as desirable or undesirable, existing or not existing. Yet this does not mean that we should make our minds blank, for then we should be no better than blocks of wood or lumps of stone; moreover, if we remained in this state, we should not be able to deal with the circumstances of daily life or be capable of observing the Zen precept" - Huang-po

    No one in this conversation mentioned, “that we should make our minds blank”. "No mind, no path, no IS" is a statement about making distinctions and nothing in it can even remotely be confused to be directing anyone to "shut anything out"! The fact you found such a meaning within this statement is a clear demonstration of your misunderstanding and your ego-centric need to appear wiser than everyone else!

    This is why I have characterized your comment as "your own fantasy", because, once again, you have imposed your own ego into a conversation you do not understand.

    You see, you apparently do not recognize that there is a difference between "making no distinctions" and "blanking the mind"!

    When one correctly understands the phrase, "No mind, no path, no IS!" he understands, "the point where all distinctions are seen to be void, where nothing is seen as desirable or undesirable, existing or not existing," this is NOT the same thing as making, "our minds blank"!

    If you seek to assist others in understanding and practicing Ch’an principles, perhaps your time would be better spent correctly understanding and living them first. It would also benefit you to practice understanding and using the principles of English grammar. This will help you keep from embarrassing yourself when you misunderstand the conversation of others and will help you make more meaningful contributions in the future.

    Last edited by Scott R. Brown; 10-31-2009 at 06:28 PM.

  5. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    What is this mean?

  6. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post
    What does mean?

  7. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown View Post
    What does mean?
    +-/(*)=

  8. #23
    I sincerely pray for you to see the path of cultivation clearly.



    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown View Post
    Hi Hendrik,

    You have a distinct pattern of imposing your own conceptual fantasies onto others. Rather than misinterpret what others say and seek to criticize what you clearly do not understand...


  9. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    I sincerely pray for you to see the path of cultivation clearly.
    I thank you for your consideration, but pray first for your own clear sight and leave others to be responsible for themselves!

  10. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post
    +-/(*)=
    OOOOOoooooohhhhhhh! NOW it makes sense....thank you!

  11. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown View Post
    I thank you for your consideration, but pray first for your own clear sight and leave others to be responsible for themselves!
    that's the fact, Jack

    (someone here seems to have forgotten that even the Buddha wouldn't offer teaching until 3 AM after most everyone had left and then only when asked 3 times...)

    it's not that what Hendrik says is necessarily is bad or wrong, and indeed from a classical perspective it is correct, it's just that he comes across as a pompous asz by virtue of the fact that he seems to hod the opinion that this way is the only way, and that NO ONE in his estimation has got it right; now, if anyone of us had come to Hendrik for instruction, then that would be fine; but what he fails to understand is that this is a discussion board; meaning that no one is here to get instruction, but rather to engage in lively discourse as suits each person's wont; meaning that to some degree this is entertainment! but Hendrik appears to think that his utterances ought be met with all the seriousness he thinks that they deserve; and apart from this being somewhat untoward, it's really just dull...

  12. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown View Post
    OOOOOoooooohhhhhhh! NOW it makes sense....thank you!
    I pray daily for your enightenmentalism to reach its ultimatimonumentality
    Last edited by taai gihk yahn; 10-31-2009 at 08:27 PM.

  13. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post

    he seems to hod the opinion that this way is the only way,

    if you have different way then share it.

  14. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post
    that NO ONE in his estimation has got it right;.

    This is the biggest misleading.



    The proper direction is clear in Shurangama sutra.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shurangama_Sutra


    There are lots of cultivator in this world who get it right.
    the only different between all these people is the level of the depth.
    Last edited by Hendrik; 10-31-2009 at 09:03 PM.

  15. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown View Post
    I thank you for your consideration, but pray first for your own clear sight and leave others to be responsible for themselves!

    You are clueless when it comes to real swimming even though you might read lots and lots of books.



    Why settle for less and trap yourself in the books?
    'I deeply respect all of you and dare not slight you. Why? You are all practicing the Bodhisattva Path and shall attain Buddhahood.'


    http://yzzj.fodian.net/World/0262_20.html
    Last edited by Hendrik; 10-31-2009 at 09:28 PM.

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